are you ever on live chess? that's where i play all my games. correspondance games are too slow for me.
The Grob's Attack, and Why We Don't Play it More???
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I am not a big fan of live chess. I find that it has bugs and I have been disconnected from the server. I play my live chess games at world chess live, which is where you find my Grob games and other experiments. I do like the correspondance ability of chess.com so kudos to the staff.
i'll check it out. maybe i'll play you there.
Thanks, I also found the Qxb6 move.
P.S. I have been working on analysis. It is coming ok.
np. i can wait. i am a very patient person, FYI.
im opening grob all the time cuz i dont have any chance of winning against players who have memorized the counters of the orthodox openings, i have more losses than wins but amazingly some of them were against higher ratings than mine. its like the movie the blind swordsman where you can force ur opponent to play on the dark where both of you are on unfamiliar terrains,
Game 1's a legit beginner's trap - the superficial instinct is to do just what black did in grabbing the two pawns, and that kind of superficial thinking is quite plausible once black starts underestimating you after g4. Game 2 though just seems like a series of blunders on black's part not necessarily related to your choice of opening. It's tough to draw a logical line from 1. g4 to the fatal 13...Rd8.
Jan 13, 2011
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#69
The Polish orangutang of Sokolsky
1.b4 is better than 1.g4 . The main reply is 1.e5 but this pawn is unprotected so white can play immediately 2.Bb2 . It's not the case for Grob.
Chess is a simple game to understand in the opening. Control the center. Develop pieces fast. Don't move too many pawns.
So let's be logical about 1.g4.
1.g4 does not control the center. Worse, it does nothing to stop Black from controlling the center.
1.g4 does not develop any pieces. Although it permits Bf1-g2 this is not a flexible deployment and Black can easily plan against it.
1.g4 does not promote castling. In fact short castling will be extremely risky without pawn cover in front of the king.
1.g4 weakens lots of dark squares. Like f4 and h4.
1.g4 commits White to a particular pawn formation on the kingside and thus lacks flexibility.
Now, what is good about g4? Permits Bf1-g2. Umm, it also helps the White player to feel like some kind of "creative" person, or perhaps a rebel or nonconformist. Involves some cheapo traps like Qa4+ and Qxg4 that might work against bad players. That's about all i can think of.
g4 threatens g5, dislodging the knight on f6 and hence putting even more
pressure on d5.
Jan 13, 2011
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#72
your opponets both SUCK sooooo bad! anyway, the grob is awesome. use it. its totally unsound, but that makes it fun!
Note 1.g4 is not the "opposite" of 1.b4 due to the fact that the board's left and right sides are not equivalent (the king and queen). As noted earlier it will take extra tempo to get you king safe and because it's unnecessarily committal/weakening and doesn't fight for the center, it's not an ideal opening move.
However it's not as bad as people say it is. Especially at the 2300 level and below white should be able to get equality if he knows what he's doing. If you think a class player could refute this over the board you're crazy. The downside is the common roadblocks to future development when you use trick openings. You'll only encounter a narrow range of setups and as a result your understanding will be more narrow. If you have no aspirations beyond being a strong club player, and something of a one trick pony, then this opening is fine as long as you prepare it well.
Although I might add it would take a bit more understanding than a class player would likely have... and learning it from a book or database is not at all ideal as you wont understand the middlegame as soon as your book runs out. So if a strong player isn't guiding you, you might as well forgo all the trouble and pickup a standard opening which will work better for you and require less effort to boot.
The first year I played chess I got a book called:
"The killer grob"
The book gave me some laughs, and I gave it away!
In over-the-board USCF tournament games, I have 7 wins, 2 draws, and just one loss playing the Grob.
However, this was when I was a 1500 / 1600 player. Now that I'm 1855, I don't play it in tournaments anymore.
The opening is more than fine for Class B and below. For Class A and above, you need to get more out of your position when you have the White pieces.
Here's my 1997 game at the National Open in Las Vegas, against Gary R. Adams, who was rated 1805 at the time. He blundered a piece with his 6th move:
[Event "1997 National Open"]
[Site "Las Vegas, NV"]
[Date "1997.04.13"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Collins, Edward Dennis"]
[Black "Adams, Gary R."]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1670"]
[BlackElo "1805"]
1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6 4. Qb3 Qc7 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Nc3 e6 7. Qa4+ Nd7 8. Qxg4 Ngf6 9. Qa4 Rc8 10. d4 a6 11. Nf3 Bd6 12. Bg5 O-O 13. O-O Ng4 14.h3 Ngf6 15. Bxf6 Nxf6 16. Rfe1 Qb6 17. Qb3 Qc7 18. e3 Qb8 19. Rac1 Rc4 20.a3 Rfc8 21. Nd2 R4c7 22. Ne2 Bh2+ 23. Kh1 g5 24. Nf3 Bd6 25. Nxg5 h6 26.Rxc7 Bxc7 27. Nf3 Ne4 28. Kg1 Kh8 29. Qd3 Rg8 30. Ne5 Bxe5 31. dxe5 Qd8 32.Nf4 Qh4 33. Qe2 Qg5 34. Qh5 Qg7 35. Rc1 Kh7 36. Rc7 Ng5 37. Nxe6 Qxe5 38.Nxg5+ Rxg5 39. Qxf7+ Rg7 40. Qxg7+ Qxg7 41. Rxg7+ 1-0
I had lots and lots of fun playing the Grob. And isn't that part of what it's all about?
ive been playing grob for the last 2 years at chess.com and i have 52 % wins, ive met strong countermoves against it and they were my losses, overall, i find grob very interesting.
in that game there it looks like black done better by delaying e5 till the 4th move and playing bishop f5, 5 bd6 ws a good move as well, go for the jugular on the kingside straight away, with good development
game two, 3...bxg4 just fucked blacks development, game one, 5..Q a5 + didnt do anything bar a meanless check, bad development
What about me?