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Why didn't black play 11...Ne7 instead of Rc8?
The Milner-Barry Gambit, and the trap
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Apr 11, 2016
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chesster3145 wrote:
The d4-square also isn't worth a lot when it's attacked by three pieces, and the only piece that benefits from it is the guardian of the weak e5-pawn. Sure, White "controls the center", but he "controls the center" in the entire Advance French... for a while.
You play b4, Be3, Nbd2-b3-d4, how can white not be better?
I understand now.
Woops transposed two moves In the variation above. This line works good as most people who play the French like to build up pressure on d4. So...let them take it!
drewhart έγραψε:
Woops transposed two moves In the variation above. This line works good as most people who play the French like to build up pressure on d4. So...let them take it!
White does not have much to show for the pawn after 10...a6.
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
The d4-square also isn't worth a lot when it's attacked by three pieces, and the only piece that benefits from it is the guardian of the weak e5-pawn. Sure, White "controls the center", but he "controls the center" in the entire Advance French... for a while.
You play b4, Be3, Nbd2-b3-d4, how can white not be better?
Can black play 8...a5?
Hopefully, this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BZx6uxP0Pc
Jun 28, 2020
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RubiksRevenge escribió:
Bd7 is actually a mistake by black which many French players commit as dxc5 Bxc5 O-O gives white a small edge. Black should play cxd4 cxd4 and then Bd7 which leads to the Milner Barry gambit proper. The modern method lately has been to 0-0 and Nxd4 Nbd2!? which leads to interesting games.
Bd7 is the main line...
Preusseagro έγραψε:
pfren hat geschrieben:
drewhart έγραψε:
Woops transposed two moves In the variation above. This line works good as most people who play the French like to build up pressure on d4. So...let them take it!
White does not have much to show for the pawn after 10...a6.
he has compensation enough
the paln si to move the king to h1 and then press the f pawn forward.
Teh MBG is the only reason for white to play the advanced french. If teh gambit would not exist the Tarrasch system would be the best.
Oh, come on... White has insufficient compensation in the traditional Milner-Barry, so 9.Nxd4 has recently been replaced by 9.Nbd2!?, which also fails to acquire full compensation.
And... if your plan supposedly is to play f4-f5, then why 11.Re1 and not 11.Qe2?
Your line is just bad for white- proof the dismal score it achieves.
Clipped the games where both players are master level, and above.
Jul 2, 2021
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Yes nearly all those black wins the player of the black pieces was ranked at least 100 points higher.
Nc3always wrote:
Yes nearly all those black wins the player of the black pieces was ranked at least 100 points higher.
Maybe they got to be higher rated by knowing not to play the Milner-Barry gambit
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The trap is suppose to go the way Aalv has mentioned.
Which is below:
This is the correct way of doing the trap.
You win the 1 queen in exchange for 1 pawn + you make black unable to castle any more!
Which allows you to attack the black king alot more to win more material.
This is why I actually play e4 e6 d4 c5 and avoid the main lines especially as white can play the Milner-Barry Gambit!
adityasaxena4 wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The trap is suppose to go the way Aalv has mentioned.
Which is below:
This is the correct way of doing the trap.
You win the 1 queen in exchange for 1 pawn + you make black unable to castle any more!
Which allows you to attack the black king alot more to win more material.
This is why I actually play e4 e6 d4 c5 and avoid the main lines especially as white can play the Milner-Barry Gambit!
First thing I would say: the Milner-Barry is simply bad for white. Black plays 10. ... a6 and then white has to suffer for the rest of the game (and will probably just lose). There really is no significant compensation, black can get a safe position without much effort and then just has an extra pawn for free.
Also, black would be wise to play 5. ... B.d7. After 5. ... Q.b6 the queen doesn't stand well after 6. a3 and black often will play B.d7 anyway. And if white still wants to play the Milner-Barry with 6. B.d3, black can still go 6. ... cxd4 7. cxd4 and then ... Q.b6; really no point in playing ... Q.b6 right away.
the MBG is the reason why I avoid all French mainlines
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. Nf3 Qb6 6. Bd3 cxd4 7. cxd4 Bd7 8. Nc3 Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qxd4 10. O-O a6 11. Qe2 Rc8 12. Rd1 Qb6 13. Bd2 Ne7 14. Be3 Qc7 15. f4 Nc6 16. Bf2 g5 17. g3 gxf4 18. gxf4 Nb4 19. Bb1 Bc5 20. Kh1 Bxf2 21. Qxf2 h6 22. a3 Nc6 23. Bd3 Ne7 24. Rac1 Qc5 25. Qxc5 Rxc5 26. Kg2 O-O 27. b4 Rcc8 28. Kf2 f6 29. exf6 Rxf6 30. Ke3 Rff8 31. Ne2 Kf7 32. Rc5 Rg8 33. Rdc1 Kf6 34. Rc7 Bc6 35. Rxc8 Rxc8 36. Nd4 Bd7 37. Rxc8 Nxc8 38. Nf3 Nd6 39. Ne5 Bb5 40. Ng4+ Kg7 41. Ne5 Bxd3 42. Kxd3 Ne4 43. a4 Kf6 44. a5 Kf5 45. Nf7 h5 46. Ke3 h4 47. Nh6+ Kg6 48. Ng4 Nd6 49. Ne5+ Kf5 50. Nd3 Nc4+ 51. Kd4 Nd2 52. Nc5 Nf3+ 53. Ke3 Nxh2 54. Nxb7 e5 55. b5 exf4+ 56. Kf2 h3 57. Nd6+ Ke6 58. bxa6 Ng4+ 59. Kg1 f3 0-1
Good luck