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The Milner-Barry Gambit, and the trap

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X_PLAYER_J_X

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Why didn't black play 11...Ne7 instead of Rc8?

SaintGermain32105

My opponent was probably insane, I told him he is insane, he called me an idiot.

Robert_New_Alekhine
chesster3145 wrote:

The d4-square also isn't worth a lot when it's attacked by three pieces, and the only piece that benefits from it is the guardian of the weak e5-pawn. Sure, White "controls the center", but he "controls the center" in the entire Advance French... for a while.

You play b4, Be3, Nbd2-b3-d4, how can white not be better? 

chesster3145

I understand now.

drewhart

 

drewhart

Woops transposed two moves In the variation above. This line works good as most people who play the French like to build up pressure on d4. So...let them take it!

Lastrank
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:

The d4-square also isn't worth a lot when it's attacked by three pieces, and the only piece that benefits from it is the guardian of the weak e5-pawn. Sure, White "controls the center", but he "controls the center" in the entire Advance French... for a while.

You play b4, Be3, Nbd2-b3-d4, how can white not be better? 

Can black play 8...a5?

 

soumyakothari21

Hopefully, this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BZx6uxP0Pc

Prometheus_Fuschs
RubiksRevenge escribió:

Bd7 is actually a mistake by black which many French players commit as dxc5 Bxc5 O-O gives white a small edge. Black should play cxd4 cxd4 and then Bd7 which leads to the Milner Barry gambit proper. The modern method lately has been to 0-0 and Nxd4 Nbd2!? which leads to interesting games.

Bd7 is the main line...

FizzyBand

6.Bd3 doesn't really work these days. I'd try 6.a3 or Be2

Lippy-Lion

Yes nearly all those black wins the player of the black pieces was ranked at least 100 points higher. 

Laskersnephew
Nc3always wrote:

Yes nearly all those black wins the player of the black pieces was ranked at least 100 points higher. 

Maybe they got to be higher rated by knowing not to play the Milner-Barry gambit

adityasaxena4
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

The trap is suppose to go the way Aalv has mentioned.

Which is below:

This is the correct way of doing the trap.

You win the 1 queen in exchange for 1 pawn + you make black unable to castle any more!

Which allows you to attack the black king alot more to win more material.



This is why I actually play e4 e6 d4 c5 and avoid the main lines especially as white can play the Milner-Barry Gambit!

adityasaxena4


adityasaxena4 wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

The trap is suppose to go the way Aalv has mentioned.

Which is below:

This is the correct way of doing the trap.

You win the 1 queen in exchange for 1 pawn + you make black unable to castle any more!

Which allows you to attack the black king alot more to win more material.



This is why I actually play e4 e6 d4 c5 and avoid the main lines especially as white can play the Milner-Barry Gambit!

 

Superbeer

First thing I would say: the Milner-Barry is simply bad for white. Black plays 10. ... a6 and then white has to suffer for the rest of the game (and will probably just lose). There really is no significant compensation, black can get a safe position without much effort and then just has an extra pawn for free. 

Also, black would be wise to play 5. ... B.d7. After 5. ... Q.b6 the queen doesn't stand well after 6. a3 and black often will play B.d7 anyway. And if white still wants to play the Milner-Barry with 6. B.d3, black can still go 6. ... cxd4 7. cxd4 and then ... Q.b6; really no point in playing ... Q.b6 right away.

adityasaxena4

the MBG is the reason why I avoid all French mainlines

Superbeer
adityasaxena4 schreef:

the MBG is the reason why I avoid all French mainlines

Why would you? As stated before, the Milner-Barry is bad for white.

adityasaxena4

I know, but I don't want to play it to find out how good and how bad it is if I can just avoid it all together

adityasaxena4

plus 1.a6 , 1.Nf6 or even 1.e6 2.c5 3.a6 are all good lines for Black to steer away and play to fight another day 

adityasaxena4

I used to play 1.e6 2.c5 but the problem was after 3.d5 then 4.Nbd2 is a Tarrasch French and if not I thought I was out of options until I found 3.a6 avoiding all French's and going into a Drazic Variation of the Sicilian a rare sideline almost never played