The Queenside Fried Liver

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e6 works too, after you can play Bd6

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LOL @ ruy lopez. That's for people who like to learn 5 different lines of 20 moves of theory to end in a draw. The open sicilian is a little better, but still 4 different variations of theory, like 20 moves deep. Jetfighter, KG is just stupid.

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I think my work here is done. Unchecking the "Tracking Comments!" box right about... now.

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@The_Gavinator

Really, Ask Fischer and Spassky, then tell me its stupid dumbass

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Just looking at an explorer, after 2...nc6, there is 35% draws for ruy lopez, 22% in italian game, and 25% in scotch game. I would call that very drawish. When I think of aggressive, I consider maybe the Nb5 scotch, or Italian game? Definetly not the ruy lopez, and neither of those other two are theory-intesive like the ruy. Please explain how the ruy is aggressive?

However, I don't know what your work is done, you have provided two lines that were completely shown to make white better.

Please clarify yourself, you are very confusing...

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ever heard of the Evans gambit genius, or the true, and much supior Fried Liver Attack, and have you ever played a pp sicilian. or how bout a good old fashioned Kings Gambit, if you don't call those agressive, than maybe the Queen sac opening is just for you.

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There is a difference between "aggressive" and "reckless".

I would consider the evan's gambit slightly reckless, because of a pinned c3 pawn which black can exploit.

Fischer himself called the king's gambit "busted, and losing for white by force." Why don't you read up before you start calling people dumbasses.

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Fischer played it 8 times, and was undefeated and undrawn with it dumbass

you are the one who needs to read up. He famously beat the man who edited the magazine his article was published in Larry Evans, and the Evans gambit was played by Morphy, and is far from reckless, it builds your center with ease.

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Jetfighter, I don't think you read what I said. Fischer published an article where he claimed the busted, and said it loses by force.

Half the lines in here build your center, but you are to stubborn to look.

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here is an analysis of 5. e5

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The_Gavinator wrote:

Jetfighter, I don't think you read what I said. Fischer published an article where he claimed the busted, and said it loses by force.

Half the lines in here build your center, but you are to stubborn to look.

you failed to read what I said, after he wrote that article, he beat Larry Evans with the Kings Gambit, and Evans edited the magazine that contained Fischer's Famous Article, and half of these lines fail to control d5, because e4 and c4 are not played

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Jetfighter, that's because fischer was confident he could beat him with a busted opening. Just because it was busted doesn't mean he can't play it.

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yes it does, because it is Fischer, Fischer never played bad openings.

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and explain to me how Kasparov lost to it

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fischer has played bird's opening, and maybe kasporav wasn't on that day? He's drawn with a 13 year old IM before...

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but that was Carlsen, and he beat him in the other game they played, and no opening, has been refuted, not even 1. e4 f6?

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I'm pretty sure tons have, how about 1 g4 e5 2 f4?

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no that is a well known trap, and everyone knows that to get rating points you should play a6 and see if your opponent notices

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i'm done talking to you. I am taking a similar approach of whatupyodog, and just ignoring you.

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Hmm, ignoring symptoms, that sounds like the reason for half of all misdiagnosese in hospitals, also just cause don't agree with a variation, doesn't mean it is crap, you still have to take it into account, and don't you like the accepted variation, it helps white, only a blind man would not see that