Actually it's called the Patzer because it is overlooked by arrogant people who say it must be for beginners because it defies opening principles by moving your queen out. So what? My most recent game I played with it I had won a rook in the first 10 moves. And I don't hope for a specific response. I realize most people won't fall for the fork. The beauty of it is how blacks position is crippled while fighting off the fork. And btw, it's called the kiddie countergambit for a reason. It's not a sound defence, it is played by kids who respond that way when they first see the Parham.
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to jetfighter13. i like the dutch because most people dive right in when i play 1...f5. i like, hopefully, fighting of their early attack and then, hopefully again, counterattacking. may not be the soundest defense but it's fun to play if your not to concerned about your rating. my main reason to raise my rating is so i can play higher rated players, those games get my adrenaline going, win or lose.
gavinator, who are you playing that responds to 2.qh5 with 2...g6, because thats the only way to win a rook with that opening. 2...nc6 is the correct response but i like 2...nf6 because patzers bite on the e5 pawn. they call it the kiddie countergambit because people play 2.qh5 against children, not adults.
Jim, i cannot even begin to say how dumb you are. The parham was played by nakamura and the qsfl by boris spasky. If you have a problem with it go to them about it. Also, you should stop calling people patzers when you are the exact definition of a patzer. Plus 2. g6 is not the only way to win a rook in the parham and anything that black does to stop the fork in the qsfl crushes his position to slowly lose, just take longer to.
No it's called the kiddie countergambit because that's what kiddies play when they are faced with this. And actually I won it on the 8th move, you are just don't realize the potential of the Parham Attack.
i haven,t lost with the kiddie countergambit yet. how the hell do you lose a rook on move 8 to 2.qh5 ? i called you stubborn buy i'd like to add that you are somewhat verbally abusive also. methinks you doth protest to much. if i was dull i wouln't answer 1.d4 with 1...f5.
whatupyodog and gavinator, neither of you are nakamura or spasky. verbal abuse is a sign of a narrow mind.
Really you would recommend opening up your kingside? I guess if you want to lose as quick as possible, play the dutch! And if you want to just give away pawns I guess you could go with the kiddie countergambit...
i like risky defenses.
As in you like losing?
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whatupyodog, the deffinition of Patzer to you and your ilk is anyone whom you could beat with your eyes closed, the definition of patzer to most people is anyone who plays like crap, and has no aspirations to gain better knowledge through sound and sane means, and who fights every attempt people make at trying to give them sage advice, sometimes violently.
jetfigher, I feel as if you have described yourself. Whatupyodog and I have done our best to promote a system which is succesful for us, to the chess.com community, yet you feel as if you must troll on this topic for seven pages. You hopelessly troll on this, even after we try to tell you that your "defences" agsint this aren't very good. Some people just don't listen to reason...
The_gavinator i completely agree, and jetfighter, i posted one of my games where my opponent used one of your defenses against me on here and i pwned him. It is on one of the qsfl forum pages, please check it out.
Apr 19, 2012
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did you see my post last page with the diagram, I said sane advice, plus I don't play d4 so quit trying to convert me
Really? Playing c6 and stopping your knight from developing doesn't sound very sane to me?
gavinator, i went on your profile and saw your live chess games. when you're white you play e4 not d4.
i think gavinator and whatupyodog are just having some fun pushing peoples buttons with this qsfl talk. if so the've succeeded, generating 7 pages of comments and getting themseves the oppertunity to insult people in the process which may have been their intent all along, congrats to the both of you.
Gavinator, you are very stubborn. you play a couple opening moves hoping for the right response. you back up your madness by saying the qsfl is almost as good as the parham attack. they dont call it the patzer opening for nothing. i guess you never been beaten by the kiddie countergambit or you wouln't be touting the parham.