thats all and well but i still have one question left would anyone here ever be willing to play the scotch and do you think you will win
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Krish30 wrote:
thats all and well but i still have one question left would anyone here ever be willing to play the scotch and do you think you will win
Against you or in general?
in general
Although black can equalize against correct play, it's probably a bit underrated as it can (the modern 4...Nf6 5 Nxc6 variation) give white some dynamic chances since he can get a strong pawn on e5. it's just that it can be fizzled out by a ...d5 advance when compared to the ruy lopez black isn't really allowed to do it and white gets his ideal center. Just because it takes longer doesn't mean anything but the scotch has open games with possibilities for attack. I wonder why the scotch is better for black than he is in the open sicilians because the only real difference is that black takes with his c pawn (with central majority) instead of his e pawn, and black's development is slightly slower.
In your games, it's funny how all of your opponents played the incorrect 4...Nxd4 just allowing your queen to come in. Maybe beginners think taking is always good? I think ...Nxd4 gives white an advantage.
man the ruy is awful
How? White gets both e4 and d4 in supported by c3 in most mainlines. His pieces get kicked back, but they actually turn out to be well placed undeveloped in the closed games that can follow.
Elubas wrote:
In your games, it's funny how all of your opponents played the incorrect 4...Nxd4 just allowing your queen to come in. Maybe beginners think taking is always good? I think ...Nxd4 gives white an advantage.
It's not super obvious how big of a mistake that move is if you don't study any opening theory and are playing blitz, wich many do. I think many of them are thinking "haha, now he has an early developed queen!". I've seen 1600+ players pull that faulty move many times.
Krish30 wrote:
in general
Yes, I always play the Scotch and score pretty well with it.
sry i take what i said back but the scotch is just as good as the ruy but in most cases the ruy has so much theory behind it that it is pretty hard to play the scotch still rules
I think that should be an opening rule not to exchange if it means allowing a piece come in the center with no compensation such as a tempo, or attack on the piece forcing it to move back. Same for if you have a piece in the center not to exchange it for no reason as it would be better to keep the pieces centralized. The Ruy is more complex than the scotch. In fact, in the closed games which is most common here, white can play in all three wings! He can attack black 's advanced queenside with a4, play for d4, f4 and possibly advance, or just attack with Rg1 and g4 so it's not easy for beginners to understand and they're probably better off with an open scotch to learn tactics since they're always used.
Krish30 wrote:
sry i take what i said back but the scotch is just as good as the ruy but in most cases the ruy has so much theory behind it that it is pretty hard to play the scotch still rules
Why do you think I'm playing the Scotch instead of Ruy Lopez and Alapin variation against sicilian? So I don't have to deal with the fanatic ruy lopez/dragon professionals with 20 move deep book lines waiting to torture me.
the scotch is great until your opponent doesn't play ...Nxd4 the other lines give black a good chance of equalizing with Bf4
lol I don't even know that much book and play the ruy lopez. What I am very familiar with is the key position in the closed ruy after 9 h3 I believe but the rest is strategy though theory helps. Then I just have to learn the open and other minor variations but they are generally pretty good for white.
At lower levels I would doubt most people have 20 moves memorized and if they took all that time they may not be able to punish you for playing a different move.
Twarter369 wrote:
the scotch is great until your opponent doesn't play ...Nxd4 the other lines give black a good chance of equalizing with Bf4
What is this Bf4 you speak of?
i agree with you atahanT lol
Elubas wrote:
At lower levels I would doubt most people have 20 moves memorized and if they took all that time they may not be able to punish you for playing a different move.
Oh I think you understimate the power of the najdorf nerds. They study najdorf 20 moves deep because it is what all the super GMs play but barely know 3 moves in other lines.
I don't encounter the sicilian too much I guess. Especially because d4 is my main move. Now that's an opening you need to study.
May 20, 2009
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AtahaT
I think the move was supposed to be Bc5 not Bf4. Common mistake for those of us who grew up with descriptive and still have problems with algebraic. I tend to think/use a hybrid of the two.
Found some more Scotch games where black goes wrong on my drive. They go wrong right in the beginning really but I still posted the complete games for the heck of it: