yeah yeah fine "traxler defense" as whoever that was must insist.
The ULTIMATE fried liver defense
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its the "knight attack" that is being defended
Nov 20, 2017
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hitthepin wrote:
I just don’t play Bc4 on my third move and avoid it entirely.
Really? That is not current GM practice. The Ruy Lopez is not as popular as it was, because they mostly all play the Berlin and leave the Ruy Bishop to sit and knit.
Also, I doubt if you never play 3. Bc4, as it is a perfectly goood move, and the Fried Liver ceases to sizzle after a few deft moves. What GM would play it at long time control?
Omg tysm bro this helped me SO much
well tbh i just went and fried liver him myself XD
Oct 31, 2021
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that is the traxler. I played it but I lost games because I didn't know what to do if they did not accept the bishop sacrifice so I lost games and stopped playing it
Nov 1, 2021
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#30
i saw this line on a forum somewhere
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6. Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7. Kg1
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6. Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7. Kg1
Feb 6, 2024
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#31
after e4 e5 nf3 nc6 bc4 nf6 ng5 d5 exd5 nxd5 you don't take on f7, you move the queen to h5
LycaniumZ a écrit :
after e4 e5 nf3 nc6 bc4 nf6 ng5 d5 exd5 nxd5 you don't take on f7, you move the queen to h5
6...Be6?? 7.Nxe6. But what happens on 6.Qh5 g6?
Please use analysis tool. U try to reinvent the wheel, ok but then , just check!
poucin wrote:
Another solution :
was already lost for white as u can see.
IM PoucinL 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Nxe4 5. Nxf7 Qf6 6. Nxh8 Qxf2#
This is by far a beautiful solution! How would you handle is White doesn't take the Rook, and instead on Move 6 castles? Black still has to deal with the knight hopping around and taking the Rook anyway, while the King can't prevent it by taking the Knight on f7 because of the Bishop guarding that square. If you take the knight with the QxNf7 you lose the queen to the Bishop.
SayELO2MyLittleChess a écrit :
poucin wrote:
Another solution :
was already lost for white as u can see.
IM PoucinL 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Nxe4 5. Nxf7 Qf6 6. Nxh8 Qxf2#
This is by far a beautiful solution! How would you handle is White doesn't take the Rook, and instead on Move 6 castles? Black still has to deal with the knight hopping around and taking the Rook anyway, while the King can't prevent it by taking the Knight on f7 because of the Bishop guarding that square. If you take the knight with the QxNf7 you lose the queen to the Bishop.
This line was just a joke. Of course white can castle and is much better, but Qh4 was far better than Qf6. Anyway, Nxe4 is a bad line and it was not the point.
My point is just that the thread is ridiculous, presenting a game where white's play is very bad, just to convince some readers he/she knows he "ultimate" fried liver defence, what a vain show...
If there is a ultimate defence on Ng5, thats certainly not the Traxler, there is no established line to "refute" Ng5 which is risky but probably good.
poucin wrote:
SayELO2MyLittleChess a écrit :
poucin wrote:
Another solution :
was already lost for white as u can see.
IM PoucinL 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Nxe4 5. Nxf7 Qf6 6. Nxh8 Qxf2#
This is by far a beautiful solution! How would you handle is White doesn't take the Rook, and instead on Move 6 castles? Black still has to deal with the knight hopping around and taking the Rook anyway, while the King can't prevent it by taking the Knight on f7 because of the Bishop guarding that square. If you take the knight with the QxNf7 you lose the queen to the Bishop.
This line was just a joke. Of course white can castle and is much better, but Qh4 was far better than Qf6. Anyway, Nxe4 is a bad line and it was not the point.
My point is just that the thread is ridiculous, presenting a game where white's play is very bad, just to convince some readers he/she knows he "ultimate" fried liver defence, what a vain show...
If there is a ultimate defence on Ng5, thats certainly not the Traxler, there is no established line to "refute" Ng5 which is risky but probably good.
Haha I figured- yes, even just playing solid through can be "the defence" lol. And agreed!
I must play the Max Lange next time.