Thoughts on Alekhine's Defense?(for a 1400)

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Alekhine's defense is beautiful really, makes the board a battlefield of uncertainty for white. 

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how about this

 

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:

how about this

 

I have no problems playing 2...e5 or 2...d5

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B1ZMARK wrote:
JqH_415g wrote:

I play this against the alekhine. Can be a little tricky for black.

You win your material back, and blacks king is unable to castle and if you take advantage of it its pretty easy attacking opportunities 

Black is winning in this position...

How?

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JqH_415g wrote:

I play this against the alekhine. Can be a little tricky for black.

You win your material back, and blacks king is unable to castle and if you take advantage of it its pretty easy attacking opportunities 

Black is winning in this position...

How?

First of all the king isn't weak. Once you get rid of that preconception then black is simply better. Better central control, easier development, etc...

 

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JqH_415g wrote:

I play this against the alekhine. Can be a little tricky for black.

You win your material back, and blacks king is unable to castle and if you take advantage of it its pretty easy attacking opportunities 

Black is winning in this position...

How?

First of all the king isn't weak. Once you get rid of that preconception then black is simply better. Better central control, easier development, etc...

 

Oh, that makes sense

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Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

so you think it's good to undevelop your pieces? 

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

so you think it's good to undevelop your pieces? 

it's a good way to play chess.

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

so you think it's good to undevelop your pieces? 

it's a good way to play chess.

how are you a 2300

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

so you think it's good to undevelop your pieces? 

it's a good way to play chess.

how are you a 2300

because I can play chess

more specifically I can play against the center very well, literally all of my openings are like that

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Apparently this is a BOOK move:

 

I score well with it, why?

so you think it's good to undevelop your pieces? 

Pawns don't count as development, so it's still zero development for white and zero for black.

Pawn moves are inherently weakening. The more you move a pawn, the more the pawn is weak, and the more pawns you move, the more weak squares you leave behind the pawn.

So it's a trade off. You secure space for your pieces / cramp the opponent... but that only matters when there's active pieces. Playing e5 early in most openings is just a wasted tempo.

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And here's an instructive game against a cheater (he got closed lmao) on how to beat this:

 

note: all three games were 10min, meaning white had more than enough time to try to play for an advantage!

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Only time someone played Alekhine against me...1. e4  Nf6  2. e5  Nd5  3. Bc4  Nb6  4. Bb3  d6  5. Qf3 ... seemed natural at the time.

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RS1650-16k wrote:

Only time someone played Alekhine against me...1. e4  Nf6  2. e5  Nd5  3. Bc4  Nb6  4. Bb3  d6  5. Qf3 ... seemed natural at the time.

yeah 4...d5 is best because of Qf3.

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Appreciate an experienced player's viewpoint and your examples Bizmark - thanks. It does seem a real pedal to the metal opening and not for a novice.

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RS1650-16k wrote:

Appreciate an experienced player's viewpoint and your examples Bizmark - thanks. It does seem a real pedal to the metal opening and not for a novice.

yeah, I would not recommend the Ng8 to a new player. On the other hand, the normal Nd5 variation seems to be perfectly fine for anyone over 1200+ 

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I just got to 1500, and the final 8 rating points were from a win with Alekhine's defense. I'm bad at chess so I blundered a lot, but he blundered back and I won so...



 



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Discipulus08 wrote:

I just got to 1500, and the final 8 rating points were from a win with Alekhine's defense. I'm bad at chess so I blundered a lot, but he blundered back and I won so...



 



nice tactical shots

white made like five strategic mistakes in three moves tho lol