Thoughts on the Philidor defence?

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pawnsacri

I play it via 1...d6,2...Nf6,3...Nd7,4...e5,5...Be7,6...c6,7...Qc7 with plans of a kingside attack starting with h6(while the king remains in the center). I don't really know any theory in the Black Lion/Philidor but I've won a lot of games with it(my only prior knowledge in it is the vid by GingerGM). It's kinda like how a normal Sicilian structure would be but without the c-pawn being pushed.

Vithal_vithal

Great opening post on philidor 

https://www.chess.com/blog/LuvGM_DM/philidor-bonanza-the-beginning

 

faqih_amin

I have a serious question. Why Philidor defence with Pirc move order or known as the 'black lion' is not played very often at GMs level, is it somehow refuted or it is just a matter of trend like the London System

kindaspongey

"The Closed Philidor is a quite playable line for Black. … However if White knows how to handle the opening, Black will not equalize completely. …" - IM Christof Sielecki (2018)

llamonade2
henriques3 wrote:

Thoughts on the Philidor defence?

Only noobs and very strong players go for the philidor defense. People in between know it's garbage and don't bother with it.

Because of this I probably have a 95% win percentage against it.

llamonade2
faqih_amin wrote:

I have a serious question. Why Philidor defence with Pirc move order or known as the 'black lion' is not played very often at GMs level, is it somehow refuted or it is just a matter of trend like the London System

The main appeal of the lion is to get a good attacking position against players who have never seen the position before.

Against strong players black is left with no attack, and a position that's difficult to defend.

darkunorthodox88

philidor has two problems

1. move order wise, they are certain issues and traps involving the f7 square that may not always let you get the parham system (The structure that resembles the old indian)

2. If you deal with a very patient white player, the philidor can be somewhat miserable. The kind of player who will take 20+ turns to get the right piece and pawn placement before beginning aggression and stop your potential queenside counterplay. Im personally found of a4-b3 ba3 ideas and/or prepping f4 agaisnt it. You will be surprised how often philidor players are the ones being impatient when they see you taking your sweet time before beginning the attack. They are used to people trying to refute their system

Jarvis_Better

The Philidor defence is reliable and easy to play, as it doesn’t make you vulnerable to attacks.

ogpu-jd
SoluopSolim wrote:

Here is a good variation against the philidor. Works everytime:

This wins everytime because philidor players can't deviate from "theory" h6, Nf8, g5, Ng6 will be played in everygame without thinking.

"played (...) without thinking" is quite an appropriate term for this line as h6 is terrible, Nxf7 it terrible, Nf8 is terrible, Nxe5 is terrible, g5 is terrible, Nxc6 is terrible and Ng6 is terrible. Actually impressive to find 7 consecutive blundering moves *im referencing post #7

ogpu-jd
pfren wrote:
ogpu-jd wrote:
SoluopSolim wrote:

Here is a good variation against the philidor. Works everytime:

This wins everytime because philidor players can't deviate from "theory" h6, Nf8, g5, Ng6 will be played in everygame without thinking.

"played (...) without thinking" is quite an appropriate term for this line as h6 is terrible, Nxf7 it terrible, Nf8 is terrible, Nxe5 is terrible, g5 is terrible, Nxc6 is terrible and Ng6 is terrible. Actually impressive to find 7 consecutive blundering moves *im referencing post #7

 

You are replying to a closed troll account which lasted for 3 days.

oh, my bad. didnt see that