The thing that struck me is that this opening has no name(?) which implies it's hardly ever used by master players. I think 'Royal Gambit' would suit it quite well since it involves both king & queen pawns.
But I won't be using it any time soon
The thing that struck me is that this opening has no name(?) which implies it's hardly ever used by master players. I think 'Royal Gambit' would suit it quite well since it involves both king & queen pawns.
But I won't be using it any time soon
I checked my DB, and there are plenty of master level games with 2. d4, and fairly recent even. Games by Aronian, Karpov, Gelfand, Adams, Sirov, Polgar, Carlsen to name a few.
Here's a game between Karpatchev, Murdzia from 1993 that includes the OP's games moves up to White's 4.Nf3.
i wouldnt play the same moves against a stronger player, u guys need to relax, i just wanted to see if i could get away with it,i know the other player made it easy,and i didnt want to post the game on chess.com fourm, i realy only wanted it on my groups page, i get to doing 5 things at one time + playing my games here and ect...and i didnt know it was posting on all of chess.com,so relax gentalmen. it's no great game,i just thought it could help some players at my group, it can give weaker players some ideas,and start them looking for games for both the morra smith gambit, and the legal mate, and looking -researching is learning, and thats what is important.
compensation for knight, right Panta, thats the risk involved in this legal mate, or havent u got that yet,we have said more experienced players would not fall for the queen trap,but we forgive your ignorance,lol.
rya and JMB what i said want an out burst, i mearly stated what i thought about calling someones game horrable, when so many other terms,less condeming could have been used, but i guess some people here are lost to to even relize there being rude, especialy if it's border line or slightly over the line,as in the other side of the coin being verry rude, they can see easily, but to all else they are blind,by igorance, or by choice, u all have a good one.Merry christmas.
how can book moves be horrable, we were still in the opening,it wasnt realy a game per say,there was no middle and end game,once again how can opening moves book moves be horrable,u boys are lost.
It was a horrible game that ended fortunate. All your moves were NOT book moves, they were horrible.
speed chess, where this game was played was 20 min time limit, and i no great player i am still learning, sometimes i move too fast,many times i doing many things when here at chess.com, having 5 pages open on the net, playing in 2 or so games here and at flyordie.com ect...
and a 3 makes se3nce if i was just wasting a move to get him to move his white bishop thretning my knight, to set up the queen sac inste4ad of moving something else , risking him opening up any more pawns ruining the posability of traping his king with limited space to move too, forget what they call the term when u waist a move, i guess its an inbetween move,i ll find out.
i guess it's called losing a tempo, in this definatio, the highlighted part is wanted to accomplish,coaxing him to get his bishop to threatin my knight completing the trap, since both players have "lost" a tempo, the net result in terms of time is nil, but the change brought about in the position may favor one player more than the other. i could look more more to add here , but i belive u get the gest.
havent any of u ever waisted a move as not to change the boards piece placement,hoping they will move the pice u want them to, especily if a more thretining move will change his responce, to your detriment, even if you only move a diffrent pawn, it could be threatning to them, there pawn front,causing them to move a pawn up in defence, instead of the bishop u want them to move.
and a 3 makes se3nce if i was just wasting a move to get him to move his white bishop thretning my knight, to set up the queen sac inste4ad of moving something else , risking him opening up any more pawns ruining the posability of traping his king with limited space to move too, forget what they call the term when u waist a move, i guess its an inbetween move,i ll find out.
I'm sorry, SHARK-BLUE but that doesn't work as an explanation either. To make Legal's Mate work you must bring your knight to c3, so the logical move (given the black pawn on d4) is pawn to c3 first.
Once pawns are exchanged, your knight will be on c3 & then perhaps your opponent will oblige with ..Bg4 & you can counter with h3 to drive the bishop back to h5 & only then are you ready to spring your surprise!
Sometimes it's appropriate to waste a tempo but not when you still have essential moves to make & a3 just gave your opponent (had he been alert) yet another opportunity to mess up your trap.
Remember, there are many ways this can go wrong as it is without wasting moves - for example; after a3, Black plays Nf6 to support it's bishop on g4 or h5; after h3, bishop takes knight or after Ne5, your opponent sees the trap & exchanges knight for bishop)
and a 3 makes se3nce if i was just wasting a move to get him to move his white bishop thretning my knight, to set up the queen sac inste4ad of moving something else , risking him opening up any more pawns ruining the posability of traping his king with limited space to move too, forget what they call the term when u waist a move, i guess its an inbetween move,i ll find out.
I'm sorry, SHARK-BLUE but that doesn't work as an explanation either. To make Legal's Mate work you must bring your knight to c3, so the logical move (given the black pawn on d4) is pawn to c3 first.
Once pawns are exchanged, your knight will be on c3 & then perhaps your opponent will oblige with ..Bg4 & you can counter with h3 to drive the bishop back to h5 & only then are you ready to spring your surprise!
Sometimes it's appropriate to waste a tempo but not when you still have essential moves to make & a3 just gave your opponent (had he been alert) yet another opportunity to mess up your trap.
Remember, there are many ways this can go wrong as it is without wasting moves - for example; after a3, Black plays Nf6 to support it's bishop on g4 or h5; after h3, bishop takes knight or after Ne5, your opponent sees the trap & exchanges knight for bishop)
Not even exchanges, wins a piece. Or not even winning, gratefully accept a gift.
and a 3 makes se3nce if i was just wasting a move to get him to move his white bishop thretning my knight, to set up the queen sac inste4ad of moving something else , risking him opening up any more pawns ruining the posability of traping his king with limited space to move too, forget what they call the term when u waist a move, i guess its an inbetween move,i ll find out.
I'm sorry, SHARK-BLUE but that doesn't work as an explanation either. To make Legal's Mate work you must bring your knight to c3, so the logical move (given the black pawn on d4) is pawn to c3 first.
Once pawns are exchanged, your knight will be on c3 & then perhaps your opponent will oblige with ..Bg4 & you can counter with h3 to drive the bishop back to h5 & only then are you ready to spring your surprise!
Sometimes it's appropriate to waste a tempo but not when you still have essential moves to make & a3 just gave your opponent (had he been alert) yet another opportunity to mess up your trap.
Remember, there are many ways this can go wrong as it is without wasting moves - for example; after a3, Black plays Nf6 to support it's bishop on g4 or h5; after h3, bishop takes knight or after Ne5, your opponent sees the trap & exchanges knight for bishop)
Not even exchanges, wins a piece. Or not even winning, gratefully accept a gift.
I meant that in the context of Black's bishop being on h5, not g4 as the OP originally played it & which is wrong as you point out. Then if the queen sac. is declined, the knight is taken but White's queen can capture the bishop so there's material parity.
most are opening book moves if u transpose from the morra smith gambit to setting up the trap, right, most.if i made a mistake or 2 thats fine, we all do.merry christmas to all, happy new year.
Not being that familiar with the Smith-Morra (or just Morra) Gambit, I had to do some reading & it's somewhat different from the one you actually played SHARK-BLUE (which I'm told is the Centre Gambit).
The Morra is a variant of the Sicilian but instead of 2.Nf3, White plays 2.d4. Here's the entire sequence..
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3
If accepted, then 3...dxc3 4.Nxc3 (or Bc4)
The Morra Gambit Trap is well worth a look...
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and a 3 makes se3nce if i was just wasting a move to get him to move his white bishop thretning my knight, to set up the queen sac inste4ad of moving something else , risking him opening up any more pawns ruining the posability of traping his king with limited space to move too, forget what they call the term when u waist a move, i guess its an inbetween move,i ll find out.
I'm sorry, SHARK-BLUE but that doesn't work as an explanation either. To make Legal's Mate work you must bring your knight to c3, so the logical move (given the black pawn on d4) is pawn to c3 first.
Once pawns are exchanged, your knight will be on c3 & then perhaps your opponent will oblige with ..Bg4 & you can counter with h3 to drive the bishop back to h5 & only then are you ready to spring your surprise!
Sometimes it's appropriate to waste a tempo but not when you still have essential moves to make & a3 just gave your opponent (had he been alert) yet another opportunity to mess up your trap.
Remember, there are many ways this can go wrong as it is without wasting moves - for example; after a3, Black plays Nf6 to support it's bishop on g4 or h5; after h3, bishop takes knight or after Ne5, your opponent sees the trap & exchanges knight for bishop)
Not even exchanges, wins a piece. Or not even winning, gratefully accept a gift.
I meant that in the context of Black's bishop being on h5, not g4 as the OP originally played it & which is wrong as you point out. Then if the queen sac. is declined, the knight is taken but White's queen can capture the bishop so there's material parity.
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Just a guess, but I'd think there were probably a higher percentage of high level players using this 100 years ago.
I would think you are right. I love watching Morphy's games, but I got the impression that all that mattered back then was the initative, and then possibly material and then nothing else :)