Generally speaking, once white castles, you take on c3 with the position than play ne4 followed by f5 👍
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Ah ok, so you would normally fianchetto on the queenside first though I imagine.
I was also looking into this line vs Ne2.
It maybe doesn't work quite the same. It's certainly playable though.
The Horwitz (1. ..e6) is what I play because it's non-committal and flexible. Aside from the French, you can go into variations of just about any opening based on what white's second move will be, and you'll have some nice choices regardless.
If 2. e4 is played, you can opt for the already-mentioned French (2. ..d5, though a proper French Defense is anything but "tame"), the Owen (2. ..b6), or play 2. ..c5 and force white to choose between an advantaged Benoni (the e4 thrust is bad for white in the Benoni) and the Sicilian, neither of which is likely to appeal to the average 1. d4 player.
If 2. c4 is played, you can go into a QGD (2. ..d5), an English Defense (2. ..b6), a Benoni (2. ..c5), or even a Semi-slav (2. ..c6).
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Ah ok, so you would normally fianchetto on the queenside first though I imagine.
I was also looking into this line vs Ne2.
It maybe doesn't work quite the same. It's certainly playable though.
It certainly is!
e6 is in fact very flexible!
May 3, 2023
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Jenium wrote:
What's the Vienna?
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 dxc4 (4...Bb4 would be the Ragozin Queen's Gambit)
I believe the main line is 5.Bg5 Bb4, if memory serves me right, so it can be reached through a transposition from the Ragozin (5.Bg5 dxc4).
May 3, 2023
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#48
Dsmith42 wrote:
The Horwitz (1. ..e6) is what I play because it's non-committal and flexible. Aside from the French, you can go into variations of just about any opening based on what white's second move will be, and you'll have some nice choices regardless.
If 2. e4 is played, you can opt for the already-mentioned French (2. ..d5, though a proper French Defense is anything but "tame"), the Owen (2. ..b6), or play 2. ..c5 and force white to choose between an advantaged Benoni (the e4 thrust is bad for white in the Benoni) and the Sicilian, neither of which is likely to appeal to the average 1. d4 player.
If 2. c4 is played, you can go into a QGD (2. ..d5), an English Defense (2. ..b6), a Benoni (2. ..c5), or even a Semi-slav (2. ..c6).
You were right to a point, but wrong on your Benoni assessment.
The e4 thrust is excellent for White. 1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5?! 3.d5! And now 3...exd5 4.exd5 and 4...Nf6 and 4...d6 are answered by 5.Nc3!
The problem for Black is the same as the old benoni (1.d4 c5). Without c4 played, White has c4 for his King's Knight (Ng1-f3-d2-c4). Bg4 does not stop it because White develops the Bishop first.
And the Knight is headed to c4. Again, Bg4 at any point and White plays Nd2 and allows the Bishop trade, not Bishop for Knight.
This is why Benoni players play 1...Nf6 and wait for c4 before playing c5, and some go a step further and play 2...e6 and only play the benoni against 3.Nf3 or 3.g3 to avoid the Flick Knife Attack.
I play 1...e6 myself, but if 2.e4, only good move is 2...d5. If 2.c4, Nimzo or QGD players can play 2...Nf6, Dutch players 2...f5, and then there is also 2...Bb4+ against 2.c4.
@WiktorNeverDie
Fair enough! 👍
I might swap it for ragozin
D4, Nf6, c4, e6, nf3, d5, nc3, dxc4. It’s very imbalanced and a good way to fight for a win. Along with the kings Indian 👍
May 3, 2023
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WiktorNeverDie wrote:
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Fair enough! 👍
I might swap it for ragozin
What is this Vienna on number 8?
See post 62
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I generally like to play d6 with a sort of Scheveningen type structure and play Nf6, Bxc3 and f5. It works well on my club mates!
Can you show the exact line where you play d6, followed by the f5 plan? I was just wondering in what position you would play it exactly. I would've thought b6-Bb7 would be played first.