I think torre is objectively better but don’t quote me on that
Torre vs Tromposky
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Jan 31, 2022
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#25
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Trompowsky is better, I played it as white and got great results until I finally switched to something more preferable: The Catalan.
You need to know a lot more than just the Catalan.
Catalan only works when Black's LSB is blocked behind the pawn chain (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 or 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3).
With the Bishop outside the pawn chain (i.e. Slav), you have to play normal Slav lines, Catalan fails.
Then you need to know something for the KID, Grunfeld, Benoni, Benko, Dutch, etc.
Against the KID I just play the following:
Benoni get's trashed with e3.
Dutch gets destroyed.
As a Dutch player, as far as I’m aware the staunton gambit is dubious. Black should be able to at least equalize against it
Jan 31, 2022
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#27
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
1. d4 f5
2. e4
Your move.
The staunton is still a decent try by white, but it certainly doesn't destroy the Dutch
Jan 31, 2022
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#28
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
instead of Qd4 Qe2 is better
I included Qe2 in the PGN
Jan 31, 2022
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#29
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
After the Qe2 variation, the engine says white is up a full pawn. Black's two pawns on the d file are sever weaknesses. With white pressing on black's cramped position with a lead in development, it is obviously evident why the Stauton Gambit destroys the Dutch.
After Qe2 the engine on lichess gives it +0.2. In the position black will typically untangle with move like g6, f5, Bf6, Re8, d5, d6, Rb8, b5, etc. The position is very doubled edged and both sides will have good chances (however I do agree with you that whites has a slight advantage). Although I do have one question, if the staunton gambit is a refutation to the Dutch defense, why don't all the super GM's play it against the Dutch?.....
Jan 31, 2022
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#30
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
If the Dutch is such a good opening, why do so few GMs even play it?
I’m not claiming it’s the end all be all, at the GM level white can certainly try harder for the advantage than something like the QGD. At the same time though there’s no refutation to the opening, at most white can get a slight opening advantage (about +0.7). It can’t also be such an awful opening either if Magnus, Fabiano, Teimour, Rapport, etc have some games in it as well,
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Feb 1, 2022
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#32
Torre and Colle compliment one another. Torre is great against g6 fianchetto opening such as KID but no so good against d5; Colle is rubbish against g6 fianchetto but great against d4.
There are effectively two Torre openings; h4-h5 attack or Queenside a4, b4 depending on style.
I only really consider Tromposky a quickplay opening unless it transposes to a Torre.
Feb 1, 2022
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#36
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
No, they don't Just check out the players over 2000 database. E3 was actually the preferred way by the Masters for a really long time. Especially at the level of FM and below, black gets shocked that they cannot play their Benko gambit.
You assume that every Benoni player goes for the Benko :/
not true even in master games.
Feb 1, 2022
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#38
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
This?
The immediate Benoni thing.
d4 c5 e3
Black can tranpose into caro kann exchange with cxd4 exd4 d5 though
Feb 1, 2022
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#39
You cant force a benko in d4 c5. White isn't compelled to play c4
Magnus played the Tromp in blitz from time to time