Transposition from KID Sämisch to Maroczy Bind

No your mission to get marcozy bind can't be prevented 

No it is a standard marcozy except white f-pawn moved slightly prematurely as Pfren already stated. 

I have already answered it: No- but YOU can probably get some benefits, because the f pawn is committed to f3 that early.

Well yes, but since I did not get Pfren's mumbling about the white move order (after move six, we have a perfectly normal Sämisch here), I decided to ignore it.

Any idea why this is so rare in practice? Just because the typical KID player doers not like the Maroczy Bind with Black?

Ah Oh - thanks

If white is happy to draw, it is nearly impossible for black to win such positions. That's why Nc6, and Qa5 considered more ambitious for black.

Sorry Pfren, I read your first post with the wrong context in mind.

TwoMove just answered, but anyway: in the Maroczy, Black has ONE (just one) winning plan: white blunders something fat, and you take advantage. If he doesn't, then your winning chances are mostly fictitious.

Ok, I agree with this, but I need to call you out on this Pfren.

You say, very often, that class players do not need to study openings. If you really think black is this doomed in the marozcy, then shouldnt you, at a minimum, change your advice to "dont study openings except the marozcy bind, to make sure you do not get into one as black"?

Incidentally I drifted into one as black on my very first game returning back to OTB play a couple of months ago, had a horrible opening, and managed to draw only because my opponent didnt put me away as we both agreed he should have. I resolved to never get into one again after that.

Accelerated Dragon aficionados always quote impressive endgame wins...

My problem is these discussions are good. Very good, in fact. However, no matter how good they get, they are inevitably short-lived and merely theoretical.  Even if there is some sort of resolution or answer, they cannot answer future questions or situations that are likely to arise in the position in question.  That is why I'm such an advocate for discussion/team Vote chess.  The discussions are more in-depth, last for months, and are no longer in theory only since they are actually being played(!) against actual opponents during a real game. This Blog explains more. ["Learning An Opening"]. 

I have played dozens of Maroczys in my life as Black, and I am not scoring badly- factly, I have a positive score. Can you guess the reason? No? I will help you: My opponents blundered something.

So, if your opponent blunders something, then the Maroczy is just great... but the same applies for just about any opening. Verdict: First learn how NOT commiting blunders, and then you may consider learning openings.

Against really good players, using the Maroczy I have a negative score: a draw against two IM's (Spassov and Moutoussis) and two losses against GM's (Ibragimov and Skembris). Against Skembris the opening wasn't that relevant, actually I played this game like an idiot, but against Ildar I felt like a sitting duck.

In the KID the best strategy for Black against the Maroczy Bind is to allow it only when Black can establish the Boleslavsky Wall. The difference in the pawn formation is very small. One pawn instead of being on the square e6 or e7, the pawn must be on the square c6 and the e-file must be half open on Black's side. With this seemingly slight change Black only has to deal with a slight space advantage for White. The half-open e-file provides Black with more than sufficient COUNTERPLAY in the center. In other words, think of the Maroczy Bind, as just that, a bind especially on the center similar to a blocked center. And, because Black effectively has no way of Counterattacking in the center, White's flank attack has excellent chances of succeeding. The only variation that I would say playing ...c5 is necessary in the KID is when White chooses to play the Smyslov system. Otherwise, ...e5 is almost always the best pawn break in the center for Black.

Somewhat related to this pawn structure is the Sicilian Accelerated Dragon. Black has played ...c5. The best system to use then is the Symagin system. It involves the normally contraindicated ...f5 pawn break and sometimes ...Nh6. Just as a side note the Accelerated Dragon thwarts the Yugoslav Attack by White.

Wikipedia "Hans Kmoch in his book Pawn Power in Chess calls the King's Indian configuration of black pawns on c6 and d6 (especially if the d-pawn is on a semi-open file) "the Boleslavsky Wall".

I couldn't find anything on the "Symagin System" though.  What is that formation?

Try again replacing y with i ("Simagin").

For the record, I disagree with virually everything in the post "Symagin" was mentioned, but I'm too lazy to argue with the poster (what for?).

Because when Zeus speaks, people listen.

Any dragon player worth their salt will know loads about the Yugoslav and a bit about the Levenfish, and most white queenside and kingside castle systems.  Too much theory just to accept a weak d5 square and no real chances of a ...d5 breakthrough.  If nothing else at least the major piece endings resulting from such systems are a nice test of skill.  Usually an open c-file vs. d-file, an h5-g6-f7 fortress is only one move away, pawns usually haven't moved at all from black's side (maybe the b-pawn or even e-pawn but one square usually) etc., but can still be somewhat cramped. 

HectorPerez wrote:

Wikipedia "Hans Kmoch in his book Pawn Power in Chess calls the King's Indian configuration of black pawns on c6 and d6 (especially if the d-pawn is on a semi-open file) "the Boleslavsky Wall".

I couldn't find anything on the "Symagin System" though.  What is that formation?

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Pawn Power In Chess pg. 143

Thanks.