Traxler: Don't even think of playing Ke2!!!

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poucin
tmkroll a écrit :

I don't know how anyone got the idea that White was ok in that position (where indeed the player with the White pieces resigned and Pfren didn't think it needed explanation.) It seems it is true that Poucin did make a typo and say Black resigned something like the third time this asked and answered question went around for some reason but it's really obvious what he meant; I didn't even notice the typo till it was pointed out.

It is indeed clear it was a typo and i meant white resigned.

Only some idiots could think i wanted to write black...

But they want to be right, let them this pleasure : a luxury for ignorants!

Alltheusernamestaken
poucin wrote:
tmkroll a écrit :

I don't know how anyone got the idea that White was ok in that position (where indeed the player with the White pieces resigned and Pfren didn't think it needed explanation.) It seems it is true that Poucin did make a typo and say Black resigned something like the third time this asked and answered question went around for some reason but it's really obvious what he meant; I didn't even notice the typo till it was pointed out.

It is indeed clear it was a typo and i meant white resigned.

Only some idiots could think i wanted to write black...

But they want to be right, let them this pleasure : a luxury for ignorants!

You literally said this :

"Alltheusernamestaken gave some moves after final position of the game given by pfren where white resigned.

This position is a win for black, and i don't see how can a bunch a moves given by this guy proves anything.

Stronger players thought it was lost, u refuse it and give/accept bad analysis. When we correct your analysis (in general), u continue or say u were right anyway. So why arguiing with u if u know all the truth begin a 1700?"

 

So I don't know who is stupid here

poucin

Warning : bad faith detected!

Alltheusernamestaken
BobbyPhisher960 wrote:

I strongly believe that if Panayotis and Ludovic worked on their chess skills for the time they were arguing with complete idiots, they would have been strong IMs by now. 2450ish, probably. Which is GM at their age.

Maybe you could train more in your education and less in your disrespect skills

EndgameEnthusiast2357
poucin wrote:
tmkroll a écrit :

I don't know how anyone got the idea that White was ok in that position (where indeed the player with the White pieces resigned and Pfren didn't think it needed explanation.) It seems it is true that Poucin did make a typo and say Black resigned something like the third time this asked and answered question went around for some reason but it's really obvious what he meant; I didn't even notice the typo till it was pointed out.

It is indeed clear it was a typo and i meant white resigned.

Only some idiots could think i wanted to write black...

But they want to be right, let them this pleasure : a luxury for ignorants!

Both you and Iphren have been insisting white was winning for many many posts. What an excuse. Admit it, you just looked at the position, thinking 3 pieces was enough to beat a queen, not taking into account multiple passed pawns and black's subtle advantage. So my claim holds. The traxler is virtually always a win for black.

EndgameEnthusiast2357
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
EndgameStudier wrote:

Maybe, whatever. This is the reason endgames need to be studied more. 3 pieces vs a queen and pawns..isn't necessarily a win..hence my username

Black has an active queen in a 14 vs 12 material balance where withe has king on e2 that need all the pieces to defend him while black has passed pawns on both sides of the board that will be marching down unstoppable.

They can say whatever they want... their only argument is that they have a higer elo so they are right  

Elo = Ego.    That's how most chess masters operate. Some even refuse to play lower rated players because they fear a 200 point difference will be "too easy" even though there is very little difference.  I have consistently beat players 300-400 points higher than me and also lost to players 200 points lower than me many times. Rating is just an estimation and the ENDGAME is usually what determines a win in chess, not how perfectly you play the opening.

tmkroll

At this point I can't tell if people are actually still just confused or arguing in bad faith as Poucin guessed. Just go back and read #75 if you think Pfren was trying to show White was winning there. What he actually said was (#75) "... is also crap, and refuted by established praxis (mostly correspondence games, since only idiots are willing to play this OTB as white)." and then (#81) "... gives Black a large, probably decisive advantage (#75)." and then Poucin said (#116) "... after final position of the game given by pfren where white resigned. This position is a win for black..." and then in #119 he did make a typo saying Black resigned instead of White, which ok, was a mistake; he should be more careful, but there's no reason to assume something like he actually forgot which player resigned. It was good of Pfren to take the time to post that game and analysis, as previously someone was claiming White must be winning there because of what Stockfish says earlier in the line. The first person who thought White could be ok at the end of post (#75) seems to have been Endgamestudier in post #100 who said "Position #75 doesn't seem that easy for white. 2 passed pawns for black on each side. Maybe a draw. Why don't you show how that endgame will play out?" I recapped this some already (#125)... so idk maybe this post is a waste too; I'm not sure what else to do; it should be easy for people to be able to read what is going here; it seems weird to me if it's not, perhaps they are just trolling? If people want to see what was written before you can just go back to the earlier posts and read them. 

EndgameEnthusiast2357
BobbyPhisher960 wrote:

And I thought ES had some brains... Jeez.

WoW and you people talk about laziness and then just abbreviate a username to 2 letters...lol. Only brainless people actually ask people to pay them to post a game analysis because they cannot accept they were wrong in all their previous ones. Thanks for admitting I am smarter than you. I know it's a shock, but people who study endgames are better than you think.

tmkroll

I guess I've figured it out which one it is. It's sad because there is good content here and people do come to this site to learn. 

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Did I not mention how I CONSISTENTLY beat the Sicilian tournaments with Bc4! Openings are not the only thing that determine the game but these "IMs" do not bother to study the endgame.

pfren
EndgameStudier έγραψε:

Did I not mention how I CONSISTENTLY beat the Sicilian tournaments with Bc4! Openings are not the only thing that determine the game but these "IMs" do not bother to study the endgame.

Please don't give up, keep on trying.

I am sure you will come up with something remotely smart after a couple of months.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

I already debunked your stupid analysis a couple months ago, so much for an IM..sure you just got to that cause of a few lucky blunders.

poucin

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EndgameEnthusiast2357

Let's see if you have anything better to offer.

poucin

What the hell...

Pfren gave a game won by black, where he pointed out how to improve for white.

U agreed with moves given by an engine (meaningless), which "confirmed" white was right to resign.

So what did u offer?

Just ridiculous comments and bad faith.

Go ahead, try to move forward and to present something useful, thanks.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

For the last time, he said white was winning, and he insisted that this opening was a win for white in other variations which it isn't. Lets see if he pays me 50 bux to unblock him..

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Another point everyone keeps missing is that this thread only applies to AFTER BxF2, Ke2. The other guy kept babbling about how d4 is better and how BxF7 is better, but that had nothing to do with the actual bishop saccing on F2, which were what my analyses were about only.