Trying to Choose Opening for Black against 1. d4 - Chess Forums - Page 2

spawkle529

Aug 21, 2016

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#21

As a 1600 rated uscf player, I would recommend QGD.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#22

ChessOath wrote:

gchess33 wrote:

(advice to a 1000 rated player would be quite different from advice to an 1800 player regarding openings). I still do not understand why you all are trying to start an off-topic debate when all I'm asking for is advice, not an argument.

Explaining how something is on topic is not typically what one does immediately before complaining that it shoildn't be brought up because it's off topic!

I'm getting wound up... I'm getting really wound up...

Sing me a soothing song, COP, before I take this out on dpnorman in another thread (although I fully believe he deserves it) and risk being muted.

Take a breather. You seem to have had a bad day, and so you lash out at me (after all, I am a convenient target). I'm sorry I caused this much trouble over asking a simple question.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#23

Bramblyspam wrote:

Back to the original topic: At your level, I agree that the queen's gambit declined is a good way to go. The Grunfeld is the soundest of the three options you listed, but it's tricky to learn. The Budapest has some surprise value but it's really not that good, and you want your regular repertoire to at least be sound. The Dutch is playable at the highest levels, but it's probably not quite as good as simply playing 1... d5, and it's trickier for a beginner to play.

Well, that is good advice except that I was asking for a recommendation for Black against 1. d4. Thanks for your input though. I liked the Budapest Gambit but was concerned that it wasn't sound enough. Grunfeld Defense looked all right but I know it'll take a long time to to get decent at, so I will want a somewhat less theory intensive opening for now until I get better.

ChessOath

Aug 21, 2016

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#24

gchess33 wrote:

Well, that is good advice except that I was asking for a recommendation for Black against 1. d4. Thanks for your input though.

Every word of his post was talking about playing Black against d4.

eaguiraud

Aug 21, 2016

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#25

I agree with everything ChessOath said, you are not 1500. My recommendation would be the QGD. Btw, as ChessOath said, every single thing Bramblyspam wrote was about playing black against d4.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#26

QGD is an opening for White, not Black. Do you mean the Queen's Gambit Reversed?

ChessOath

Aug 21, 2016

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#27

gchess33 wrote:

QGD is an opening for White, not Black. Do you mean the Queen's Gambit Reversed?

I don't know why but that really tickled me. More accurately, I cringed at the first sentance and then burst out laughing and couldn't stop for about a minute at the second.

ChessOath

Aug 21, 2016

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#28

Also, how do you make these statements with such confidence? Surely you must know that you're surrounded by people who know so much more than you about this topic, yet you keep coming out with such howlers backed up with such confidence! It's quite something.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#29

ChessOath wrote:

Also, how do you make these statements with such confidence? Surely you must know that you're surrounded by people who know so much more than you about this topic, yet you keep coming out with such howlers backed up with such confidence! It's quite something.

Well, the answer is obviously yes, otherwise I would not have posted my question here.

spawkle529

Aug 21, 2016

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#30

QGD is for white WHAT?????

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#31

spawkle529 wrote:

QGD is for white WHAT?????

Umm...yes.

https://www.chess.com/openings/D06_Queens_Gambit

spawkle529

Aug 21, 2016

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#32

I'm not sure why you think QGD is for white.....

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#33

White is the one who plays 2. c4, making this opening specifically Queen's Gambit and not some other opening, therefore it is a White opening.

spawkle529

Aug 21, 2016

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#34

You said queens gambit DECLINED not queens gambit.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#35

spawkle529 wrote:

You said queens gambit DECLINED not queens gambit.

Just because White plays 1. d4 does not mean he will play 2. c4. This opening is not common enough for me to specifically study it either in depth.

spawkle529

Aug 21, 2016

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#36

QGB is based off white playing 2.c4 then black playing 2...e6, black can also play the QGA with 2...dxc4

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#37

spawkle529 wrote:

QGB is based off white playing 2.c4 then black playing 2...e6, black can also play the QGA with 2...dxc4

A perfectly fine response to Queen's Gambit, but of course it is dependent on whether or not White plays Queen's Gambit. I was thinking of a more general response that works just based on White's first move, not his second one.

ChessOath

Aug 21, 2016

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#38

Any other options that White has (I'm not including playing the QG with the 2.Nf3 move order, as that's fine) give Black equality on move 2. You're complaining about this? You want White to play the best moves? Look, not only are all the other moves inferior, but they have no theory attached to them, as Black you just develop your pieces and you're already equal. How is that a bad thing?

ChessOath

Aug 21, 2016

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#39

I'm going to bed now, so I won't see your reply anytime soon, but in case you hadn't worked it out yet, there is no such opening as the Queen's Gambit Reversed. I would like to know what moves you thought constituted this opening though.

gchess33

Aug 21, 2016

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#40

ChessOath wrote:

Any other options that White has (I'm not including playing the QG with the 2.Nf3 move order, as that's fine) give Black equality on move 2. You're complaining about this? You want White to play the best moves? Look, not only are all the other moves inferior, but they have no theory attached to them, as Black you just develop your pieces and you're already equal. How is that a bad thing?

Claiming that Queen's Gambit is superior to every other opening as White is way too extreme a statement. Certainly it is a great opening to play, but "best" would be a matter of opinion.