trying to create a 1.d4 gambit repertoire around Trompowsky & Blackmar-Diemer

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rychessmaster1

Naturally, this man analyzing literally everything except dxe4

Steven-ODonoghue
pfren wrote:

The Trompowski is a good positional opening, which means that if you play it for quick tactical traps, you are sh@t out of luck.

 

Have you seen FM Kamil Plichta's tromp repertoire? He advocates the Raptor variation (3.h4) and in something like 80% of the lines white sacrifices at least a pawn (usually more) for the attack. 

gik-tally

I have that mentioned in my study notes somewhere I think. I was just dropping in to share a NICE chunk of New in Chess (!!!) Benoni theory if you don't mind PDF. oh do I hate pdf almost as much as pinterest.

Attacking Repertoire w/ 1.d4 Benoni theory 64pp

what would be the most double edged tactics rich lanes be instead of trompowsky? i thought i heard it mentioned as a gambit. gambiting pawns doesn't just up material for initiative, to me, central ones open attacking files. at first, the c file ones in smith morra were ugly and foreign to me, but once i found how easy it was to rely on a few themes in familiar positions to find tactics to spring like that d file, i think, pinning tactic i loved. i remember, black's queen was not to be taken lightly on her turf. oh, that's the kind of play i'm looking for... something that opens the center up, aiming for quick attacks, and FORGET drawish positional rubbage, i want down and dirty i don't want to be playing past move 30 decisive play based on real chess boxing

HAHAHAHA!

i'm NOT giving smith morra transpositions up, even if it means favorite lines aren't in early Nf3, which i seeem to remember as coming right after nc3. i LOVE that opening more than any other. it fit like a glove once i memorized the very repetitive patterns and key themes. i would play ONLY that if i could. studying it from 1.d4 is perfect for going back to king's gambit.

 

i've tried "universal" king's & queen's indians, but fianchettoing and i do not get along at all. i'm a Bc4 Bf4/Bg5 kind of player. it frustrates me when i can't do that or Nf3/Nc3 right away. bishops and knights on D&E 2&3 are hideous to me. i only played Nd2 in the stonewall chasing the king's knight and chasing a queen's knight attack on my rook when i chased her back with Ndf3! > retreat hxg3 (knight) > Qxh1 > Nh3 TRAP. wiggle 0-0-0 wiggle any minor piece you want. otherwise, hate stonewalling.

what open tactical lines would you suggest instead of the tromp?

not a fan of c4 or big center pawn chains either.

 

gik-tally


6. The Lay Down Sacrifice

This offensive strategy is another dangerous attacking weapon in chess. During non-master games, this strong move is hardly ever seen. The main aim of the sacrifice is prying open defensive protection in front of the enemy king. This strategy is most effective when your opponent is forced to accept material.

It is essential to avoid situations in which your opponent has an option of leaving a piece hanging and ignoring your gift. In such a scenario, this move would probably fall under the Hope Chess category. You must create a situation in which your opponent has no choice but to accept your sacrifice, so that you can achieve an advantage.

(it has a name?!! I LIKE IT!)

 

looking at "main line" trompowsky, which has respectable stats, i'm not liking the looks of 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 d5 3. Bxf6 gxf6 4. e3 c5 5. dxc5 Nc6 6. Bb5 e5 7. Nc3 += 0.8. it's too closed and stonewallish. i see black's pawns way too in the way.

gik-tally

OK, couldn't edit the text. i don't like black's handy rook threat on white's 0-0. i don't like 0-0-0 unless i have to or on those rare occasions it gains a check tempo. 

Nf6 is annoying as black is taking the initiative. the hype about the tromp being aggressive isn't matching what i see in the diagram. i see white encouraging black to build a strong defense that's hard to crack. in closed positions... attack on the flanks... yeah yeah yeah. how about open ones?

 

toying with BDG main lines... 1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 c5 stockboy gives 5.Be3 as "best", yet in 300 games under 2000, where my theory matters, it performs horribly at 37/57! the more popular 5.d5 seems to be doing just fine there in a few thousand games. it's like the program wants players to get in trouble listening to it sometimes. 4...c5 was its choice and isn't popular over the board. 5...exf3 6.Nxf3 Be2 is unpopular but bad for white. there's a refutation line for you i'd make sure to be FULLY booked up on gambling on the rest of my opponents playing sheep lines that are juicy.

yetanotheraoc

BDG! + Trompowsky!

Sure, pfren is right the BDG is weak, but you can ignore that for now. At your level BDG is fine. You will win some and lose some, just get your pieces out and (try to) attack. Plus or minus one pawn will only matter when your opponents don't blunder. Which is a long way off for you. At the very least you will learn the value of the initiative and the value of a pawn.

1.d4

  • 1...d5 2.e4 BDG! It's weak but it's also hated by 1...d5 players at class level.
  • 1...Nf6 2.Bg5 Trompowsky, pure genius, hated by 1...Nf6 players, but white needs to know it well, especially how to punish the ...Qd8-b6 raids.
  • 1...c5 2.d5 (don't play 2.e4 here, there is no need to open that can of worms) 2...Nf6 3.Bg5 transposing to Trompowsky, or 3.Nc3 if you want to mix it up.
  • 1...f5 you have choices, 2.e4 Staunton Gambit, 2.Bg5 no-name but good, or combine the two with 2.Nc3 then 2...Nf6 3.Bg5, or 2...d5 3.e4 (why not?) 3...dxe4 4.Bf4!? (once again 4.f3?! is met by 4...e5!, watch out for this) 4...Nf6 5.f3.
  • 1...e6 2.e4 you might as well, since 1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6 transposes anyway. Your Monte Carlo idea is fine, also there is 2...d5 3.Be3 Alapin (like an inferior BDG but it's actually not *that* inferior), and 2...d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.f3!? Winkelmann-Reimer (very tricky, if black accepts you know what to do). Of the two Winkelmann-Reimer is "better".
  • 1...c6 2.e4 again, because black could transpose with 1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6. I suggest Fantasy Variation 3.f3 (the problem for you here is 3...e6 since it stays closed which you hate and in some lines white needs to play e4-e5 which you also hate), or possibly 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Bc4 (4.f3?! is met by 4...e5! but only if black knows what they are doing) 4...Nf6 5.f3. Of the two Fantasy is "better".
  • 1...d6 2.e4, sure 150 Attack, or anything really. There is no shortage of aggressive tries, if you suffer after 1.d4 d6 2.e4 then you would suffer just as much after 1.e4 d6 2.d4.
  • 1...any other black move, 2.e4 of course.

Since you are going to play 1.d4 then 2.e4 against almost everything, then why start with 1.d4 first? One word: Sicilian. There are lots of Trompowsky players (or these days London players) who gave up 1.e4 to get away from the Sicilian. And they are very happy to play against French, Caro-Kann, Pirc, etc. If you like those for white, 1.d4 d5 2.e4 will make you very happy because an amazing number of players will decline with 2...c6 or 2...e6, and an even more amazing number won't even play 1...d5 once they find out you are a BDG type. At master level though it's the opposite, even King's Indian players will switch to 1...d5 and dare you to play 2.e4. Actually when I played the BDG for a few months (this was 30 years ago) nobody above 1800 declined the pawn. But below that it's quite common.

adityasaxena4

You can play the BDG and if they decline it you can actually play either the Slav Defence: Diemer Gambit or the French Defence: Diemer-Duhm Gambit  and after Nf6 you can transpose into the Caro-Kann Defence : Campomanes Attack or you can transpose to the Classical Variation of the French particularly into the move order in the game Baadur Jobava vs Zbynek Hracknek from March 24 2012 .