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Kinnmark

Any ideas how to counter or prevent this kind of attack. I know white's strategy (kingside attack), but don't know what should black do. I always get crushed when I play with my collegues in the club, in this line. So yeah, how to counter or prevent it?



NewArdweaden

Don't play Sicilian is the first idea. Wink

You need to get some quick counterplay on the queenside and perhaps try to play d5 when your opponent allows you to do so. You might be lacking that. I think that move liberates your bishops and allows you to defend more easily and at the same time gives you some chances on the white's king. 

EDIT: I meant d5

JGambit

If Im black then my knight is on d7, It may seem odd but it ends up better.

After white plays g4 you need to play b5, then the attack plays itself (joke)

iblametheserver

Nd7 then Nc5 is the book way - not an easy opening to play but black can survive!

Kinnmark

But how to counter the pawn rush? Thanks for the knight advice though. Any good games out there, too?

NewArdweaden
Kinnmark wrote:

But how to counter the pawn rush? Thanks for the knight advice though. Any good games out there, too?

Wiz kaunterpley. Tray to attek, not difend. 

Robert_New_Alekhine

Ignore it.

The_Ghostess_Lola

Kill that b3 knight....then get your queen out on the flats. And don't take any nonsense off White.

wrathss

You are playing a sharp sicilian with opposite side castling. Don't play this line (play like a c3 sicilian instead) if what you want to do is to counter or prevent it.. in general it is a race for the king and you need to play agressive attacking moves on the kingside while playing only the necessary moves in defense on the queenside.

As a rule after 0-0-0 you need to play Kb1. And you definitely do not go 12. Be2? (what kind of a move is that??) as it is completely passive and just ask black to play b5! and you kind of just lost a move.

Black is playing this opening wrong as well as 9 ..Nc6? the knight is misplaced on c6 and is a wasted move as it attacks nothing and just blocks the c file. Not moving the knight and start with 9 ..Be6! (overprotect d5) and then after 10. 0-0-0, Nbd7 and the setup is much better.

Because of black's imprecise play, If you put it to an engine it is something like +0.7 (after 11 ..Rc8, without 12. Be2) because the comp always defends perfectly and then either push through kingside or win the endgame against the backward pawn.

To be fair I don't like this line for white precisely because it is easier for white to go wrong (which is why you see black play this all the time). Black is usually solid in most d6-e5 lines and white has a hard time breaking black's kingside quickly, or defending well enough to get the endgame advantage.

MSC157
wrathss wrote:

Black is usually solid in most d6-e5 lines and white has a hard time breaking black's kingside quickly, or defending well enough to get the endgame advantage.

d6-pawn is never solid here.

Kinnmark

I don't know if engine evaluation is applicable here in the opening, but understand other ideas.

Maybe I put some moves just quickly there, but the point is white's attack is fast and my pawn shortage on queenside is not really effective or what I want to see as a result.

Uhohspaghettio1

You don't have a "pawn shortage on queenside", you have an open file and a minority attack. You don't want an extra pawn there. 

Uhohspaghettio1

Something like that. I gave a line with and without the move b5. Ideally the d7 square should be free for the f6 knight after g5. Black also doesn't have to castle at all and can sometimes take walks with the king. 

What is nice about the sicilian is that all of the ideas are fairly easy to understand, unlike the queen pawn games, which can be extremely subtle and difficult to grasp the nuances of. 

kleelof
jackfast wrote:

In the Sicilian, when your opponent (white) castles queenside, you MUST strike first, elsewise, you will be destroyed. I have had success with the Sicilian Dragon because I am willing to sacrifice whatever it takes to get the attack and the initiative.

Yeah, this is what I was going to say.

You have to attack on the queenside so white slows down his king side advance. If you can get the upper hand on the queen side, you can then move over to the king side and deal with his pawn advance.

Below is an example. As you can see, White starts his pawn advance. But Black keeps pressure on the queen side until he is able to mount an attack on the king side pawns.



MSC157

Where did you find this game? 

NewArdweaden

JPLionRoar

Sicilian defence suck's bigtime....most time's,unless played by an experienced player..

The_Ghostess_Lola
jackfast wrote:

In the Sicilian, when your opponent (white) castles queenside, you MUST strike first, elsewise, you will be destroyed. I have had success with the Sicilian Dragon because I am willing to sacrifice whatever it takes to get the attack and the initiative.

....even your King ? (sorry, couldn't help it....)

kleelof

Msc it is in this huge database I have. Do you know one of the players?

MSC157

No no, they're just quite random and i wondered. :)