@Hadron "What I believe is the Vienna Gambit" is the Vienna Gambit, so listed in ECO (C29). The fact that it's unwise to accept it doesn't alter the name. The Queen's Gambit is not a true gambit come to that, but the name is agreed by all chessplayers.
Vienna gambit or Kings gambit: which is better?
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kindaspongey schreef:
Discussed in the Modern Vienna book:
Black can also play 3...Nxe4 here 4.Qh5 Nd6 etc
Feb 4, 2018
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Feb 7, 2018
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FrogCDE wrote:
@Hadron "What I believe is the Vienna Gambit" is the Vienna Gambit, so listed in ECO (C29). The fact that it's unwise to accept it doesn't alter the name. The Queen's Gambit is not a true gambit come to that, but the name is agreed by all chessplayers.
Really? You are going to debate semantics? I don't really want to bore the other followers of this thread but i will oblige. I have ECO Volume C and pages 144 through 147 do NOT highlight what you BELIEVE is being the Vienna Gambit as being as such.
So giving you the benefit the doubt, I checked "The Complete Vienna" by G.M Mikhail Tseitlin and Igor Glazkov. There they refer to 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 as the "Classical line" (Chapter 8) and 2...Nc6 3.f4 as the Gambit (Chapter 4)
Further, Chapter 7 of GM Lanes book "Vienna Game" starts of..."The idea of playing a King's Gambit with 2.Nc3 Nc6 thrown in has attracted players of the white pieces for over a century".
Finally page 462 of "The Oxford Compainion to Chess 1996 gives "The Vienna Gambit, 613, The King's Gambit move Pf2-f4, played in the Vienna Game after 2....Nc6.
but are you wrong? I would say yes and no. You offer a bold claim that based on 3 pages from ECO that the moves you believe to be the Vienna Gambit is the Vienna Gambit. I have a copy of this tome and you claim is not supported. As contradictory as it sounds, it does not make you wrong either. 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 is a gambit, with that you are correct, just not what is considered as thee Vienna gambit.
Have a nice day.
hadron
As far as I know, nobody is in charge of chess terminology. Is it a surprise if there is some variation from one source to another?
And what ?
It's just a question. With his high rating... I suppose... he can give advises himself. lol Not to refer to his coach.