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LM_player wrote:
Ware : Meadow Hay Trap.

1. a4 e5 2. Ra3

+1

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1. Ware Opening: Meadow Hay Trap

2. Bird's Opening

3. King's Gambit

4. Scandinavian Defense (Edit: It's not that bad)

5. Polish Opening

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Kings gambit is something I am learning 

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cookie3 a écrit :

pick any opening not seen in Candidates or World Championship play.  Champions do not play bad (dubious) openings in matches concerning these tournaments.   

So you mean four knights game is dumb? Grandmaster don't play it because it's a very equal position so they mess up the tempo advantage as white. Drawing a game with black is usually good at this level. Four knights game is of course not a dumb opening. Stop saying king's gambit guys, and try to appreciate the immortal game. You're free to say it but that's not my opninion

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chamo2074 wrote:
cookie3 a écrit :

pick any opening not seen in Candidates or World Championship play.  Champions do not play bad (dubious) openings in matches concerning these tournaments.   

So you mean four knights game is dumb? Grandmaster don't play it because it's a very equal position so they mess up the tempo advantage as white. Drawing a game with black is usually good at this level. Four knights game is of course not a dumb opening. Stop saying king's gambit guys, and try to appreciate the immortal game. You're free to say it but that's not my opninion

 

We won't stop!  Things change over time.  Theory changes.  Nobody cares about the romantic period when it comes to openings.  Studying historical games is not to improve your opening theory.

 

The King's Gambit is like Confederate Statues.  Both are bad and both should be burned to the ground!

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ThrillerFan wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:
cookie3 a écrit :

pick any opening not seen in Candidates or World Championship play.  Champions do not play bad (dubious) openings in matches concerning these tournaments.   

So you mean four knights game is dumb? Grandmaster don't play it because it's a very equal position so they mess up the tempo advantage as white. Drawing a game with black is usually good at this level. Four knights game is of course not a dumb opening. Stop saying king's gambit guys, and try to appreciate the immortal game. You're free to say it but that's not my opninion

 

We won't stop!  Things change over time.  Theory changes.  Nobody cares about the romantic period when it comes to openings.  Studying historical games is not to improve your opening theory.

 

The King's Gambit is like Confederate Statues.  Both are bad and both should be burned to the ground!

The King's Gambit is a horrible opening.

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An opening may be bad, but it's not bad unless you know how to take advantage of its disadvantages. Why do you think halloween's gambit is played so much <1500? 

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The king's gambit could be a good bluff

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SNUDOO wrote:

An opening may be bad, but it's not bad unless you know how to take advantage of its disadvantages. Why do you think halloween's gambit is played so much <1500? 

Read this article, written by Bobby Fischer.

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You've got too many good arguments I can tell you no anymore. But I have a question for you, what do you think is the best tactical gambit, not positional like queen's. I think evan's gambit, even the engine says it ain't bad

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That gambit looks good to try mr. jerry

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What's it callled?

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Kai_boy wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

An opening may be bad, but it's not bad unless you know how to take advantage of its disadvantages. Why do you think halloween's gambit is played so much <1500? 

Read this article, written by Bobby Fischer.

have you watched "crush with the king's gambit" by GM simon williams (chess.com lessons)? I trust more recent theory than bobby fischer.

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The Damiano is e4 e5 nf3 f6

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jerrycui60720 wrote:

damiano defence

+1

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It;s called damiano gambit I checked in analysis

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chamo2074 wrote:
cookie3 a écrit :

pick any opening not seen in Candidates or World Championship play.  Champions do not play bad (dubious) openings in matches concerning these tournaments.   

So you mean four knights game is dumb? Grandmaster don't play it because it's a very equal position so they mess up the tempo advantage as white. Drawing a game with black is usually good at this level. Four knights game is of course not a dumb opening. Stop saying king's gambit guys, and try to appreciate the immortal game. You're free to say it but that's not my opninion

wow, you do not know what you are talking about.  Four knights game recently played in 2018 FIDE Candidates Tournament.  Kramnik-Aronian 1-0.  i never stated anything was "dumb"; so thanks for twisting my words.

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chamo2074 wrote:

You've got too many good arguments I can tell you no anymore. But I have a question for you, what do you think is the best tactical gambit, not positional like queen's. I think evan's gambit, even the engine says it ain't bad

What about the Benko Gambit?

 

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Kai_boy wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:

You've got too many good arguments I can tell you no anymore. But I have a question for you, what do you think is the best tactical gambit, not positional like queen's. I think evan's gambit, even the engine says it ain't bad

What about the Benko Gambit?

 

... is sound, but requires accurate handling of endgame and solid coverage of ideas. Would not recommend.

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