what do play against 1.e4 d5

CoenJones

i hate this combo so much, it almost always ends up with black having either an advantage, or pull even

What is the best move against it??

thank you!!

Scottrf

exd5 and if Qxd5 then Nc3, then just develop (or if Qc6 then Bb5).

ajmeroski
CoenJones

that's exactly what I usually play, then they play Qe5, so I play Ne5.

Scottrf

? Ne5 isn't possible after Qe5. I'd play Be2 and you're preparing to gain another tempo on the queen with Nf3 or d4.

ViktorHNielsen

You can also play 3. Nf3, with the idea to follow up with a timely d4-c4, so you get a nice centre. 3. Nc3 is the most logical, and the mainline though.

apostolis1

I like playing first Nf3, then d4 and c4, and then move my knight on c3! Black normally tries to put a knight on d5, and if you play c4 he can't! This is a nice way to play vs d5 without knowing any theory ! Tongue Out



richie_and_oprah

2. nc3

CoenJones

sorry, @Scottrf, I meant Ne2, I'm too tired for this :)

CoenJones

oh and thanks Lim Lom

JohnStormcrow
Lim_Lom_Sandpfote wrote:

But it is not the main weapon of any strong (2600+) GM, if I didn't miss something. So if someone plays the Scandinavian against you take it as a serious task to keep a little space advantage in the center and detect some of the beautiful tactics this opening reveals for black and white.

Well, Tiviakov does still have it as his main e4 defense.  But maybe the surprise among 2600 GM's who employ it regularly as black...Karpov!

In his dotage, he seems to have taken up the Qd6 line.

EDB123

2. e4xd5, force the bozo to take his queen out, then attack it with nc3

CoenJones

thanks to all that replied!!

JohnnyKGB

THE KEY IS TO PLAY THE KNIGHT TO E5 AND SOMETIMES H3-G4 .  YO HAVE T0 SEE   GAMES OF KASPAROV,GARRY.   U GET A DATABASE .



QuiZi
I did play against said opening tonight in a team match. 
 

 

Haven't had time checking it with Fritz yet so it might (probebly) have some massive blunders from both of us. 

I usally don't post games but I noticed this thread and I just got back from playing it so had to show off :D 

Suprised by some off my oponents moves, but glad that I beat a higher rated player, it's atleast something :D

// QuiZi

Twinchicky

I use a bit of an offbeat gambit system against the Scandinavian...

White's huge lead in development is the compensation for that pawn. The one thing you have to be careful of is the pesky h4-e1 diagonal - try not to push the a-pawn or take the knight off of f3 until you're castled. It's sort of a hybrid of a KGA and a backward Morra Gambit.

JohnStormcrow
Twinchicky wrote:

I use a bit of an offbeat gambit system against the Scandinavian...

 

White's huge lead in development is the compensation for that pawn. The one thing you have to be careful of is the pesky h4-e1 diagonal - try not to push the a-pawn or take the knight off of f3 until you're castled. It's sort of a hybrid of a KGA and a backward Morra Gambit.

That's just the original Blackmar gambit.  Diemer's contribution being Nc3 before f3, since 3...e5 pretty much refutes your variation.

Scottrf

The huge lead in development seems to be 1 tempo over White's normal lead.

Scottrf

It's just a horrible gambit.

JohnStormcrow
Lim_Lom_Sandpfote wrote:
JohnStormcrow hat geschrieben:
Lim_Lom_Sandpfote wrote:

But it is not the main weapon of any strong (2600+) GM, if I didn't miss something. So if someone plays the Scandinavian against you take it as a serious task to keep a little space advantage in the center and detect some of the beautiful tactics this opening reveals for black and white.

Well, Tiviakov does still have it as his main e4 defense.  But maybe the surprise among 2600 GM's who employ it regularly as black...Karpov!

In his dotage, he seems to have taken up the Qd6 line.

They use it, but not as main weapon, i.e. playing it mostly against 1.e4.

According to databases, Tiviakov played the Scandinavian about twice as often as any other defense to e4 in 2013.  Karpov played it about four times as often.