What do you play against the Italian Game?

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Avatar of Samurai-X

I switched to 1 ... e5 (to play the Berlin Defense) and I need some ideas against the Italian Game (which my opponents seem to play often). 

 

Avatar of opticRED

I dont know why but I feel comfortable with the two knights defence 3...Nf6.

Avatar of Die_Schanze

Most books prefer 3...Nf6, but you have to sacrifice a pawn and know the theory. I was also not happy with 3... Bc5, running into several attacks. Also wondered about the scotch, so i quit 1... e5. 

 

Most players know nothing about 3... Be7, i know one guy who have played this move excluslively up to 2000 Elo.

There are also some games available by strong players, e. g. the former world champion Smyslov:

 

Avatar of ToddA10

I like the two knights defense and if they go for an attack then I like the uvelsted variation. Of course if they play d3 then I don't get the chance for a uvelsted

Avatar of Yigor

3...Bc5 is the best choice. gold.png

Avatar of generickplayer

I play the Hungarian Defence:

 

Avatar of MickinMD
iamunknown2 wrote:

I play the Hungarian Defence:

 

I like it!  As White I sometimes play the Giuoco/Italian and love it when Black wastes a tempo with ...h6 to prevent the Fried Liver Attack - which I usually don't intend. But ...Be7 develops a piece and stops Ng5.  If I ever play 1...e5, I'll remember this in case we go into the Giuoco.

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I only attempt a fried liver against total newbies... if someone fries some liver against me (i'm black) i just play the normal? variation to fend it off.... black plays d5, white takes with pawn, Na5 attacks the bishop.... I'm a sub-average player, and don't care to be on either side of the fried liver.... it's boring, to me, unless the opponent totally falls apart..

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Possibly helpful:

Starting Out: Open Games by Glenn Flear (2010)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626232452/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen134.pdf

The Open Games with Black by Martin Lokander

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7546.pdf

The Kaufman Repertoire for Black & White by Larry Kaufman (2012)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626221508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen162.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/955.pdf

The Open Games for Black by Igor Lysyj & Roman Ovetchkin (2012)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf

Bologan's Black Weapons in the Open Games by Victor Bologan

http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Bologans-Black-Weapons-in-the-Open-Games-76p3873.htm

https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9001.pdf

Playing 1.e4 e5 by Nikolaos Ntirlis

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1e4e5-excerpt.pdf

Avatar of pfren

3...Nf6 and 3...Bc5 are equally good, and the latter is simpler.

Forget about other third moves.

Avatar of kindaspongey

If I remember correctly, Lokander and Ntirlis suggested 3...Nf6, Kaufman and Lysyj suggested 3...Bc5, and both were discussed by Flear and Bologan.

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kindaspongey έγραψε:

If I remember correctly, Lokander and Ntirlis suggested 3...Nf6, Kaufman and Lysyj suggested 3...Bc5, and both were discussed by Flear and Bologan.

True.

Marin in his older repertoire books advocates 3...Bc5.

Pretty much a matter of taste, but it does apply that 3...Bc5 requires less memorization, e.g. even in potentially sharp play like 4.b4 (Evans Gambit) 4...Bb6 is perfectly sound, and usually transposes to regular Italian lines.

Avatar of dpnorman

Be7 is like an acceptance that you're worse after 4. d4 d6

 

I play 3...Bc5. The Evans is not much to fear. It can be safely declined or accepted. I kind of like 5...Bd6!? which objectively isn't the best but I won a nice tournament game with it against a similarly rated opponent (a little over 1900 at the time) not long ago so for that reason I like playing it

Avatar of virm666
I play the Evens gambit. I tend to get good active positions out of it. Especially against lower rated players.
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superb. thumbup

Avatar of darkunorthodox88

the paris defense is an interesting line 3.d6, thing is, white has many replies but black can play at least one specific line which keeps things interesting asymmetric.

4.c3 f5! is an interesting and sound idea.

4.d4 exd4 4.nxd4 g6!? keeps things interesting

4.0-0 bg4 and black will play it like this nf6 be7 qd7

4.nc3 na5!? and either be2 c5 or bb5+ c6 (be2 c5 transposes), ba4 b5 bb3 nxa5

4.h3!? and black can play 4...be6!? or be7 or g6

4.d3 na5