What do you think of the Colle System

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Just a random question I decided to throw out there: what do you think of the colle system?

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Best when black has played e6 blocking in the bishop. If black's bishop is on f5 or g4 then a colle is not so good.

Also a major point of the colle is the pawn break on e4... so it's not so good against setups where black hasn't played d5. So a KID type setup for example (d6 and g6) will make a colle look silly (you should play c4 and/or e4).

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But if you're low rated and playing it against everything, it's definitely not bad at all. It's very solid, and you get your pieces developed and castled. It's a safe way to survive until move 10 as a new player.

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Yeah, it does free up the light squared bishop, but blocks the dark squared bishop. White would probably be advised to play Bd2 after that to get a diagonal for his dark squared bishop, or maybe b3 to fianchetto it.

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I never mentioned white's light squared bishop... happy.png

Yeah, the colle-zukertort (b3 Bb2) is a good way to develop the dark square bishop.

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It’s ok. 

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I don't like how it blocks in the bishop, but idk.

Avatar of tygxc

It is good. Edgar Colle scored some fine wins with it
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036682

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Colle is good, stable and white can get early attacking possibilities on the king side.

Against 1.d4 Nf6 make 2.Nf3. If then 2.g6 use Carlsen´s anti KID with 3.Nd2 so you do not get stuck in the large KID system.

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A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans

 

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B1ZMARK wrote:

A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans

 

A colle with the bishop out is called a london tongue.png

(Bg5 has a million different names and I don't know how to tell them apart... torre attack, veresov, barry attack, 150 attack, and on and on... I don't play 1.d4 so I never learned that stuff)

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I don't know either it was supposed to be a trompowsky but it transposed into one of those triangle pawn openings

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llama47 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans

 

A colle with the bishop out is called a london

(Bg5 has a million different names and I don't know how to tell them apart... torre attack, veresov, barry attack, 150 attack, and on and on... I don't play 1.d4 so I never learned that stuff)

I was thinking about saying, "Why not get the bishop out before e6?" But then, like you mentioned, it would be a London System, and I didn't want to look dumb.

Avatar of DasBurner

its fine but there are so many better options for white than the Colle, seems way too passive

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B1ZMARK wrote:

I don't know either it was supposed to be a trompowsky but it transposed into one of those triangle pawn openings

Yeah, a trompowsky after 2.Bg5, but after 2...e6 it can transpose to tons of different things.

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Colle has a lot of venom

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Oh, and you beat ry, nice.

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llama47 wrote:

Oh, and you beat ry, nice.

he was supposed to adopt me but we drew the first round and he lost the second so...

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Wow, he didn't even put up a fight. He played pretty badly (in that game).

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B1ZMARK wrote:
llama47 wrote:

Oh, and you beat ry, nice.

he was supposed to adopt me but we drew the first round and he lost the second so...

Maybe try again in a week or two... adopting someone that close to your rating is pretty hard, but that game was pretty pathetic. I think he can do better...