What is your opinion on the Benoni defense?

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In the Benoni, I'd always advocate for the Knight's Tour as White from the anti-Nimzo move order.

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Hoe ah defense
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bongcloud is better than banana defense

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RIPnaro wrote:

Im not talking about the computer evals or whatever. I'm talking about practicality. The positions are sooooo much easier to play from the white side that it's almost insane. Also regarding ChessEnthusiast48 saying that in the diagram I provided that white is only "slightly better" I would have to disagree. Anyone looking at that position can agree white is much better.

Now you're offering us a judgement call (or perhaps a misjudgement call) that is NOT borne out by the practical results of more than 500 tournament games.

Not Stockfish analysis... tournament games between live Human players.

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blueemu wrote:
RIPnaro wrote:

Im not talking about the computer evals or whatever. I'm talking about practicality. The positions are sooooo much easier to play from the white side that it's almost insane. Also regarding ChessEnthusiast48 saying that in the diagram I provided that white is only "slightly better" I would have to disagree. Anyone looking at that position can agree white is much better.

Now you're offering us a judgement call (or perhaps a misjudgement call) that is NOT borne out by the practical results of more than 500 tournament games.

Not Stockfish analysis... tournament games between live Human players.

At the starting position of the modern benoni, according to the lichess masters database, the ehite win percentage is 41% while black's is 26%

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i accidentaly said ehite instead of white in my post,my bad. the keys are close togetther

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There is no specific opening move, there are different ways to respond.

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RIPnaro wrote:

At the starting position of the modern benoni, according to the lichess masters database, the ehite win percentage is 41% while black's is 26%

The stats "at the starting position" include lines that are not played anymore. Lines that have been abandoned.

You have to be very careful when using "database stats" to support an argument.

Here's an example from the Petroff Defense.

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RIPnaro wrote:
blueemu wrote:
RIPnaro wrote:

Im not talking about the computer evals or whatever. I'm talking about practicality. The positions are sooooo much easier to play from the white side that it's almost insane. Also regarding ChessEnthusiast48 saying that in the diagram I provided that white is only "slightly better" I would have to disagree. Anyone looking at that position can agree white is much better.

Now you're offering us a judgement call (or perhaps a misjudgement call) that is NOT borne out by the practical results of more than 500 tournament games.

Not Stockfish analysis... tournament games between live Human players.

At the starting position of the modern benoni, according to the lichess masters database, the ehite win percentage is 41% while black's is 26%

There is not even a "starting position of the modern Benoni". The current trend is playing ...e6 after ...d6, ...g6, ...Bg7 and ...0-0.

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you make a point I guess I will start at the beginning of the arguably most critical line in the modern benoni. That does still get played.

Here the eval is around +0.8 and white wins 45% of the time while black wins 23% of the time.

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pfren wrote:
RIPnaro wrote:
blueemu wrote:
RIPnaro wrote:

Im not talking about the computer evals or whatever. I'm talking about practicality. The positions are sooooo much easier to play from the white side that it's almost insane. Also regarding ChessEnthusiast48 saying that in the diagram I provided that white is only "slightly better" I would have to disagree. Anyone looking at that position can agree white is much better.

Now you're offering us a judgement call (or perhaps a misjudgement call) that is NOT borne out by the practical results of more than 500 tournament games.

Not Stockfish analysis... tournament games between live Human players.

At the starting position of the modern benoni, according to the lichess masters database, the ehite win percentage is 41% while black's is 26%

There is not even a "starting position of the modern Benoni". The current trend is playing ...e6 after ...d6, ...g6, ...Bg7 and ...0-0.

so this isn't the start?

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Playing with and against the benoni one has to be ready for some anti-intuitive tactics. I don't directly play it, but have gotten there through transposition, and those games tend to get very wild.