What openings are good against 1d4

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I prefer grunfeld more than KID

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AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

So might aswell start with the grunfeld?

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Theotrop wrote: AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

So might aswell start with the grunfeld?

yep

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d4iscrazy wrote:

Arguably the best d4 pair with the Najdorf is the Grunfeld. Also try the Benko Gambit, Modern Benoni and Nimzo/QID pair

I studied the benko gambit in my chess club but didnt like the playstyle. Will try the Grunfeld

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IdkWhatIDoHerelel wrote:
Theotrop wrote: AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

So might aswell start with the grunfeld?

yep

Ok thanks ill try out the playstyle and if I dont like it i will just try the KID thanks for the advice

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AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

Which exchange line?

Do you mean this one?

If so, you can avoid this line by delaying ...e5 and putting ...Nbd7 on the board, first.

This way, if White wants to exchange, Black still keeps all the pieces on the board.

A lot of game left to play ...

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I think King's Indian is a good option because it is sharp and positional at the same time and while Black tries to attack the Kingside White attacks the Queenside.

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The only problem is that it entails studying A LOT OF THEORY!!!!!

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Qb3

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IdkWhatIDoHerelel wrote:
Theotrop wrote: AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

So might aswell start with the grunfeld?

yep

No. Firstly, I have never once seen the exchange variation they’re talking about in the hundreds of KID games I played as Black, and secondly, if you use the correct move order (with Nbd7 before choosing between e5 and c5) it wouldn’t be an issue even if White tried.

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arnavvijay64 wrote:

The only problem is that it entails studying A LOT OF THEORY!!!!!

I have never studied KID theory from either side and yet I score quite well from either side. It’s a lot simpler to play than everybody thinks, especially since you’re not playing titled players.

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IronSteam1 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

Which exchange line?

Do you mean this one?

If so, you can avoid this line by delaying ...e5 and putting ...Nbd7 on the board, first.

This way, if White wants to exchange, Black still keeps all the pieces on the board.

A lot of game left to play ...

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AngryPuffer wrote:
IronSteam1 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

Which exchange line?

Do you mean this one?

If so, you can avoid this line by delaying ...e5 and putting ...Nbd7 on the board, first.

This way, if White wants to exchange, Black still keeps all the pieces on the board.

A lot of game left to play ...

Considering that engines usually evaluate KID positions as anywhere from +0.8 to +1.6, +1 isn’t as big of a death sentence as it might be in other openings. Computers really don’t know how to handle Najdorfs and KIDs for some reason.

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d4iscrazy wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
IronSteam1 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

the exchange variation killed my love for the KID its so boring

Which exchange line?

Do you mean this one?

If so, you can avoid this line by delaying ...e5 and putting ...Nbd7 on the board, first.

This way, if White wants to exchange, Black still keeps all the pieces on the board.

A lot of game left to play ...

Considering that engines usually evaluate KID positions as anywhere from +0.8 to +1.6, +1 isn’t as big of a death sentence as it might be in other openings. Computers really don’t know how to handle Najdorfs and KIDs for some reason.

Or Grunfelds, or Benkos, or basically any other hypermodern opening

Yeah. Computers like Open Game and Closed Game when compared to Sicilians and Indians. Which makes sense, as you more often hear the words “counterattacking” and “aggressive” used in conjunction with Sicilians and Indians, and you more often hear the words “solid” and “intuitive” used in conjunction with Closed Game and Open Game, and computers don’t really care about your counterattacking chances in any opening because they know exactly how to counter them perfectly.

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computers hate hypermodern openings, but for some reason they like the grunfeld only????

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AngryPuffer wrote:
+1

+1 seems ... rather optimistic for White.

SF16 +NNUE, depth 29, on my (admittedly cheap) laptop declares that the position is basically even after the simple 10 ...Ne8.

Interestingly, this position was reached by the famous Mr. Najdorf himself, almost 60 years ago.

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lichess likes to give random number evaluations

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Theotrop wrote:

Hey I've been trying to find a suitable opening against 1d4. I was thinking about maybe a Nf6 opening since all my friends play the nimzo and the KID. If it's a Nf6 opening Wich one would be best. And if not maybe I should emphasize my knowledge on the QGD Wich I already know a bit of (but I find it quite boring).

Id like to learn an opening that I can know for my whole life and that I could add knowledge through as I continue my chess journey.

Try the fianchetto, it puts your bishop on a powerful diagonal (the longest one in the game) and pressures both center pawns. I won my county chess tourney using that opening

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AngryPuffer what is the refutation to the Englund Gambit?

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RivertonKnight wrote:

AngryPuffer what is the refutation to the Englund Gambit?

if this line, then

Qd5 and Bf4 are both reasonable to refute it
If this line: