what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian)

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pleewo
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

all your points except the middle paragraph apply to the open as well

so... surprise value for a pawn, which to take... hmm...

It’s not like that, the smith Morra and the open Sicilian are fundamentally different with completely diffferent games. It’s not like it’s the same thing but down a pawn.

pleewo
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
Chess_Player_lol wrote:

I think the smith-morra is a good choice. IT is fairly simple to learn the development scheme and tactical motifs, and can offer you some great attacking games. In addition some lines may offer some positional play revolving around d5 and d6 and the c-file giving plenty of learning chances and better understanding of the game in the long run.

Another bonus is that many of your opponents at your level will be under-prepared against the smith morra as it is not the mainline open sicilian.

the con for this opening is that it can be quite double-edged at times especially when it gets to the more tactical type positions, it can be complex at times and ive had a few games where ive gone on brilliant attacks to only blunder a single move and lose the game.

i agree, if you are going to play an anti sicilian, let it be the rossolimo or smith morra

if black does not know what hes doing in the morra, he loses. even if he does know white gets great development and a center attack at the cost of a pawn

in the rossolimo black gets good play, so does white. and the plans are simple are the game is complex but less attacking

Sea turtle what about Alapin? It smith Morra is an option surely the Alapin is too

pleewo

It’s not just “solid”

it’s rich and also attacking!

Ilampozhil25

#251 you say there are positional ideas and attacks

those also exist in the open

but open = no pawn loss

thats my point

pleewo

Fair enough, but these openings are different so it’s unfair to say “ this one gets positional ideas and attacks too but up a pawn “ because they are different openings. But fair enough

Ilampozhil25

i mean thats the thing right?

with most gambits you get some attacks and stuff but nothing which is not also present in non gambit similar variations

just with the gambits... idk theres more trickiness short term or something

but long term compensation gambits also exist and those are cool i guess

SamuelAjedrez95
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

It’s not just “solid”

it’s rich and also attacking!

I would say opponent kind of has to misplay it for white to really get an attack in. It's a much slower game.

SamuelAjedrez95
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

but long term compensation gambits also exist and those are cool i guess

Benko Gambit queenside pressure. This gambit is actually very good.

In the King's Indian, black can also sometimes play a Benko Deferred but white's main move in these lines is actually not to accept the gambit. The compensation is no joke at all.

Ilampozhil25

its a special class: gambits where you should decline it

reasons are mostly tactics (should qg count? qga is less common but its not bad so no) 

pleewo
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

It’s not just “solid”

it’s rich and also attacking!

I would say opponent kind of has to misplay it for white to really get an attack in. It's a much slower game.

No, not really. White can get attacking positions even in the main lines! Consider getting beginners 1.e4 repertoire by Andras Toth, I know you are a fan of his and he really shows the Alapin can also be fun! It has his approval, why not try the Alapin or the course out!

pleewo
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

its a special class: gambits where you should decline it

reasons are mostly tactics (should qg count? qga is less common but its not bad so no) 

Queens Gambit isn’t a gambit, if white wants, white can get the pawn back. QGA is awesome though

Ilampozhil25

#254 includes the vienna gambit i just realised

pleewo

No, you should accept it. The Vienna gambit player is probably a mindless Gotham sub. Chessly owners or real Vienna players will say otherwise but chances are; we got a mindless Gotham sub right here. We should accept it, and get crushed. Giving the Gotham sub a false sense of security, the Gotham sub will then say “Oh wow! Gotham is awesome” and donate money, buy gothams Chessable course or buy his chessly courses. This way, gotham gains more money and does future ambitious projects for his YouTube channel. More new chess people will watch and the chess.com server will reach its limits pretty fast because too many people are joining! This way, we have brought more people into either playing on lichess, or playing OTB. And more OTB = better for chess

Ilampozhil25

..... the weirdest train of thought ever

funnily sensical, well played

is it sarcastic, or meant for laughs only?

pleewo

Not serious, just play d5, that qh4 and qe4 line if you want and play chess.

Sea_TurtIe

exf4 is not losing in the vienna btw

Chess_Player_lol

@llampozhil25 could you give us a little more information on what you are considering playing regarding the sicilian, or if you havent decided what are the reasons why you dont like the choices you were presented with. (perhaps you said it already im just too lazy to look for it in the forum.)

pleewo
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

exf4 is not losing in the vienna btw

It isn’t, but gives white a good game and isn’t worth playing.

pleewo

Also what do y’all have against the Alapin???

Ilampozhil25
Chess_Player_lol wrote:

@llampozhil25 could you give us a little more information on what you are considering playing regarding the sicilian, or if you havent decided what are the reasons why you dont like the choices you were presented with. (perhaps you said it already im just too lazy to look for it in the forum.)

oh yeah i decided on page one itself

this is now just some thread to discuss whites side of the sicilian (i even edited the topic)

the repertoire is detailed by samuel ajedrez on page one

i like it, i feel like it is the missing type of opening for me (attacking)

also.... its a thread not a forum

me creating a forum would be me going and coding a software, then creating a website OR going to some forum making place and create an actual forum with many threads (for people)

the chess.com forum is an example of a forum

theres the chess openings subforum

then there is this thread, filled with posts (or comments) you can react to them, (using the emojis) and reply to them (like i am doing here)