How about 6.Be3 for white, or even dxc5
what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian)
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FrogboyWarpz wrote:
How about 6.Be3 for white, or even dxc5
still, isolated d-pawn, inactive knight (it's pinned), and black has way too many pieces out for white to defend the d-pawn well
Black will eventually win the pawn back, but still, he has an active rook, a castled king, and 3 minor pieces out. White has no central pawns, only 2 pieces out, and a vulnerable king that has lost its castling rights. The c-pawn still impairs his development as well.
May 21, 2023
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In conclusion, the alapin is a dubious attempt to get a big center and gives black too much counterplay and weakens your pawn structure
Sampson i said be3 not bd3
ok dxc5 I agree black is doing fine, but something like this would turn out to be quite unclear and white still has chances at least at first sight imo
i mean, it looks fine for white but im not totally sure
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
Sampson i said be3 not bd3
oh sorry
Black managed to completely equalize. The analysis is literally 0.00. White chose to draw despite being the side that needs to win. If the roles were reversed, this would be a great position! Black would have managed to equalize and secure at least a draw. But, no. White initiated this position, not black.
Either way, black has a ton of room to move around with his rooks. Blink and a rook will be pointed directly at white's king. Meanwhile, white has to move his knight and queen in order for his rooks to be in the game, wasting a bit of time that could be precious in an endgame.
i also dont think its really an elephant, more like a below average neck size giraffe
May 21, 2023
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TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
Sampson i said be3 not bd3
oh sorry
Black managed to completely equalize. The analysis is literally 0.00. White chose to draw despite being the side that needs to win. If the roles were reversed, this would be a great position! Black would have managed to equalize and secure at least a draw. But, no. White initiated this position, not black.
Either way, black has a ton of room to move around with his rooks. Blink and a rook will be pointed directly at white's king. Meanwhile, white has to move his knight and queen in order for his rooks to be in the game, wasting a bit of time that could be precious in an endgame.
¨The turning point in my career came with the realization that black should play to win instead of just steering for equality¨
-Bobby Fischer
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
Sampson i said be3 not bd3
oh sorry
Black managed to completely equalize. The analysis is literally 0.00. White chose to draw despite being the side that needs to win. If the roles were reversed, this would be a great position! Black would have managed to equalize and secure at least a draw. But, no. White initiated this position, not black.
Either way, black has a ton of room to move around with his rooks. Blink and a rook will be pointed directly at white's king. Meanwhile, white has to move his knight and queen in order for his rooks to be in the game, wasting a bit of time that could be precious in an endgame.
¨The turning point in my career came with the realization that black should play to win instead of just steering for equality¨
-Bobby Fischer
well okay but that's not the point
May 23, 2023
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#373
... yes 3. e5 in the alapin is good (edit this is sarcasm)
that looks like dynamic equality if not black slightly better
One time I played the alapin. He played d5. Then I pushed my e pawn. So it ended up being an advance french.
I dont play e4 much so it only happened that one time. If you play the alapin, d5 is actually the best move from white, so you could probably reach that position quite often. And if they dont play d5 then you are in a better spot anyway.
EDIT - I see this has been mentioned 
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
lets get the elephant out of the room
what if this?
This is really good for black. They basically get a structure which has the benefits of the Caro and French combined with none of the weaknesses. c5 in 1 move, LSB outside the pawn chain.
It's not automatically winning, but just allows black the dream setup.
May 23, 2023
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#376
wait why cxd4 and not something like qb6
theres a thing in the advance french where black should wait for wNb1 to move then only take the pawn, i think? so that should apply here?
May 23, 2023
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SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
lets get the elephant out of the room
what if this?
This is really good for black. They basically get a structure which has the benefits of the Caro and French combined with none of the weaknesses. c5 in 1 move, LSB outside the pawn chain.
It's not automatically winning, but just allows black the dream setup.
ok what about this
can white just hold on to the c5 pawn for his life?
I mean ig..
what do you think about Alapin fr
I don’t really like it that much for white
c3 occupies the b1 knight’s natural developing square, giving a space disadvantage. The d4 push is easily countered, and white loses his precious center quickly. Black gets quick development and white struggles to compare.
2. c3 isn’t a mistake, but I much prefer the Open Sicilian. If there’s a better option, most of the time, I’ll take it. If two chocolate bars are the same price, I’ll buy the sweeter one.
Fair enough, the c3 push blocks in the knight but white usually gets the the d4 in anyway. Also can you show a line where white loses the center and black gets much more development?
As an Alapin player I strongly disagree
Black has active pieces, no weaknesses, and after Be7, black will castle and ensure a safe king, while his queenside is active and provides space for his pieces. White has an isolated d pawn, a slightly inactive bishop, and an undeveloped queenside. White has lost the 2-pawn center he’s sacrificed development for, which really makes you wonder the point of the Alapin.