"Don't play Open Sicilian because then opponent will play the Nimzowitsch Sicilian against you and you're going to be totally clueless! Maybe try the Rossolimo/Moscow?"
Ummm...whut?
The fact that we are now at 7 pages and still going strong only reinforces my earlier point that you should NOT play against the Sicilian, as there is simply too much theoretical knowledge needed to successfully navigate the Sicilian ocean for anyone below Master level. The only way to do this is to NOT play 1. e4. This is why I mostly play 1. d4 openings, with a few other variations like 1. c4, etc. If I am playing white, I want to use my first move advantage to steer the game into something I will know better than my opponent, and not the other way around.
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The Open Sicilian is undoubtedly the best opening in chess. It offers a wide range of possibilities for both sides, making it an exciting and dynamic game from the start. The Open Sicilian is characterized by the moves 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 followed by d4, leading to a complex and tactical position.
One of the main advantages of playing the Open Sicilian is that it allows Black to fight for control of the center from move one. This means that White must be careful not to overextend their position or risk falling behind in development.
Furthermore, the Open Sicilian has been played at the highest level for decades, with many world champions such as Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov using it as their weapon of choice. Its popularity among top players speaks volumes about its effectiveness and versatility.
In conclusion, if you want to play chess at a high level or simply enjoy a dynamic game full of possibilities, then you should definitely consider playing the Open Sicilian. Its rich history and proven success make it one of the best openings in chess.
The open sicilian is the only way for white to maintain his opening advantage. White gets a huge activity and good attacking chances¨
-the ai bot that wrote me a short essay on the topic
The fact that we are now at 7 pages and still going strong only reinforces my earlier point that you should NOT play against the Sicilian, as there is simply too much theoretical knowledge needed to successfully navigate the Sicilian ocean. The only way to do this is to NOT play 1. e4. This is why I mostly play 1. d4 openings, with a few other variations like 1. c4, etc. If I am playing white, I want to use my first move advantage to steer the game into something I will know better than my opponent, and not the other way around.
But then you have to learn what to do against:
But, as we've discovered, learning = bad. If you have to learn something and get smarter then you are wasting precious oxygen which would be better spent on sniffing glue.
If you play 1. d4 d5 2. c4 and opponent plays Nc6 then you're going to be totally lost because OH GOD THE THEORY, NOT THE DREADED THEORY. The pain of learning is unbearable.
(Please don't recommend the London lol)
The fact that we are now at 7 pages and still going strong only reinforces my earlier point that you should NOT play against the Sicilian, as there is simply too much theoretical knowledge needed to successfully navigate the Sicilian ocean. The only way to do this is to NOT play 1. e4. This is why I mostly play 1. d4 openings, with a few other variations like 1. c4, etc. If I am playing white, I want to use my first move advantage to steer the game into something I will know better than my opponent, and not the other way around.
bruh
none of the last 3 or so pages have been theoretical discussion
it has been me samuel and sampson talking about normal debate points
also, says the person who plays 1. d4
sorry, 1. d4 also has theory?
lots of it?
and black has like a bunch of equalising variations too?
also if theres a lot to know and everyone knows almost nothing; you will know more
also you definitely know how to play an open position, riight?
-the ai bot that wrote me a short essay on the topic
Yes, go ChatGPT! 😂
#133 is a perfect post
top notch rebuttal, sarcastically using the same points likely used by the other person to perfect effect
#132....
yes black fights for control of the center BY playing the open sicilian (wow) and white has possibilities to overextend...
chatbots be like lol
if white wants an active game where he holds a advantage he should play the open sicilian, the closed sicilian is easy for black to equalize, the alapin equalizes, the smith morra gives black edge
The average player on chess.com has a rating of around 600. Nobody at that level will know how to play against the Sicilian. Probably their 600 rated opponent wont know now to play the black side of the Sicilian either. I have never met a coach that recommends the Sicilian for players under expert level. None of us here are Kasparov or Fischer, so holding them up as examples is pointless.
umm... thats a point FOR playing the sicilian from either side (it nullifies all the "too much theory" stuff)
try again, and make a coherent argument
just because you cant remember more than 3 moves does not mean you just play system openings or openings with basic guidelines
contradiction: system openings require more than 3 moves
and just playing like the system is sometimes very bad
with system
openings you just need to remember your setup goal, not moves to get there
i could show this board to a person and tel them to get there each game and they likely easily would
hmm
i see one problem
black plays a sort of qgd, he will know that once wBf1 moves, take on c4 and enjoy the sweet sweet tempo
and im talking about london
hmm
i see one problem
black plays a sort of qgd, he will know that once wBf1 moves, take on c4 and enjoy the sweet sweet tempo
and im talking about london
black i guess could play d5 first, but cxd is allways possible
would you rather:
a) play smth like gpa then have to change to open once you get good enough
b) start off with open from the beginning, thus removing the awkward opening change
I completely disagree with what you are saying here. The Opening change is not awkward at all, in fact it makes your chess journey better as you will have multiple weapons in your repertoire and you learn a bunch of different ideas and stuff from other openings. The idea of only playing Ruy Lopez, Najdorf, and Nimzo from beginner to 2000 just makes me sad even though those are good openings.
No-one knows extensive Open Sicilian theory at this level. Especially in the line I gave.
The GPA has been played millions of times but this Adams Attack line has barely been played at all so if you're talking about surprise factor then that's way more unexpected.
Some people just repeat the same rhetoric "because it's Open Sicilian, there's more theory". This is actually true, there's more theory for the opponent to learn so they will be less likely to know everything. The GPA has less theory, so once someone faces it enough times they can easily learn the limited theory to counter it.
The problem is, black doesn't need to know all the Open Sicilian theory. Keep in mind, the Open Sicilian isn't the Najdorf and the intense mainlines. Black needs to know their 1 preferred line. I need to learn dozens in order to know how to counter it. My brain can't even remember what I had for breakfast today. If black knows the Nimzowitsch and I don't know it, I'm dead. Playing the Grand Prix, the Closed Sicilian, and basically anything other than the Open Sicilian drastically cuts down on my study time. If you're an absolutely dedicated chess player, sure, play the Open Sicilian, but I'm 900. I'm not learning all that theory.
I completely disagree! You are not dead at all. The reason black goes d6 in the Sicilian is to control e5. Why play nf6? Inviting the very move! Makes little sense to me, just rely on your current chess knowledge and opening principles and you will be fine 👍
the thing is I legitimately can't remember another open line in the sicilian that's not a gambit
It's your personal problem that you don't appreciate it and can't be bothered to learn it. That's why you try to discourage others.