What to do against the annoying Triangle/Noteboom move order?
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@dodgecharger Doesn't the immediate exchange of 3. cxd5 exd5 4. Nc3 give black the option of 4...c6, which transposes into one of the positions I was discussing?
pfren wrote:
"Botvinnik has won a hell of a lot using the exchange Slav as white, and I don't think his opponents were idiots...
Why don't you try learning and absorbing the ideas behind an opening instead of aphoristically rejecting it, or cluelessly praising it?
Factly, my shortest loss ever as Black against 1.d4 was precisely at an exchange Slav."
Is this a comment to me? I never had a problem with going into an exchange Slav, just an inferior version of the exchange Q.G.D. after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. cxd5 exd5.
hijodeluna - you really are going to tell me that this position is just a draw?
(I'm assuming you meant 6...e6, as otherwise you can't play 7...Bd6).
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The game posted by Shepi at #32 is very recent (from the Tromso Olympiad). Pavel Eljanov was White, and that fool did not know that the exchange slav is equal.
Even worse: Black, a patzer Azeri GM rated just 2659 (named Rauf Mamedov) did not know how to handle this "easy" position. Should we hire him hijodeluna as trainer?
Try to show the moon to the fool.
You will find out that it's in vain: the fool will always look at the finger.
Aug 13, 2014
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#30
Shhhh! He's the son of the moon, it's rude to point it out to him!
Aug 13, 2014
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#31
And I mentioned the Slav Exchange was drawish, which it is. It's as drawish as the Caro-Kann, and probably even more equal. But it's certainly playable, even for a win.
The biggest problem with choosing a line that equalizes early is everyone stops analysis once black equalizes, so you're out of the book and you better know what you're doing.
Aug 13, 2014
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#32
One of the great things about the Slav Exchange is that it doesn't reward the "latest theory" so much as the player who understands how to play chess better.
This is the Carlsen effect. Instead of worrying about the latest ultra-sharp variation (as in the Botvinnik for example), reach a playable position that can be interpreted in several different ways, and play chess.
SmyslovFan wrote:
One of the great things about the Slav Exchange is that it doesn't reward the "latest theory" so much as the player who understands how to play chess better.
This is the Carlsen effect. Instead of worrying about the latest ultra-sharp variation (as in the Botvinnik for example), reach a playable position that can be interpreted in several different ways, and play chess.
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i would suggest focusing on middlegame plans and spend less of your time worrying about correct opening move orders. Just pick something that you like.
Tracking.
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
Quacking.
White does not have to be afraid of the Noteboom. Look in the databases. E.g.
. That's the Stoltz Variation of the Semi-Slav. A nice move to ponder for the Masters: 6. ...Qc7 
What now? You're asking questions that can not be answered... But Below-Master-Level players had good results with this.
A 2nd thought: you may want to change your attitude about this setup. Take it as interesting and challenging instead of annoying.
why is it called the note boom
Walter_von_Entferndt wrote:
White does not have to be afraid of the Noteboom. Look in the databases. E.g.
. That's the Stoltz Variation of the Semi-Slav. A nice move to ponder for the Masters: 6. ...Qc7 What now? You're asking questions that can not be answered... But Below-Master-Level players had good results with this.
A 2nd thought: you may want to change your attitude about this setup. Take it as interesting and challenging instead of annoying.
4..bd6 and 5..f5, and it' a stonewall with white having played e3. I believe this is the more popular way to play against e3 and how I played when I used the noteboom.
If you want a quiet life, I would suggest 4.e3. Black is solid if he employs a Stonewall policy, but structurally white is always better. Of course this opens the Meran can of worms, so you MUST have something baked there.
The Marshall gambit is of course interesting, but heavily analysed- at class level I would stay away.
And finally, against the Noteboom, I can suggest the Catalan approach: 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.g3!? which is very interesting, and less theory-heavy than other lines. Ruslan Scerbakov devotes to it quite a few pages in his triangle book, and makes a few suggestions, but he humbly admits he's not an expert on the Catalan, and recommends checking his analysis with other sources.
The Exchange Slav exchanges a single pair of pawns. If you go to your favorite database, plug in the starting position of the Exchange Slav, and filter out all games decided in under 20 moves, you will find that the Exchange variation is a very dangerous beast with many decisive games!
The main problem with the Exchange Slav is its reputation. Some masters will play the Exchange Slav as a tacit draw offer. Once you remove those games where two masters were just filling out the forms, you will see that the better player usually wins in the Exchange variation.
Trading off a single set of pawns is not enough to draw the game. If you play the Exchange Slav to win, you'll have a full-blooded game on your hands!