What to play against the Dutch

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Ram565656

I play queens gambit and I would like to know how to play against the Dutch defence and what the plans are.

amilton542

The Londoner says, "We don't have much respect for the Dutch".

London System, Queenside castle and you could throw in the g pawn gambit if you really wanted to. You're not going to be playing e4 in the London for quite sometime anyway, and the Dutch is to prevent e4. The King is weak in the Dutch which compensates for the queenside castling and the g pawn gambit gives a bit of activity and compensation to exploit the weak King.

TurboFish

Black's 1...f4 in the Dutch is intended to discourage e4 by white.  So white should counter this by playing Nc3 early and follow with e4 anyway.  1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 is one of the main anti-Dutch weapons, but of course many 1.d4 players don't like 2.Nc3 because it blocks their c-pawn.  Still, if the Dutch is giving you a headache, it's worth exploring.

BirdsDaWord

Ram, the mainline is like this (and it depends on what form of Dutch, but this is a fairly universal system you can study):

Now, if you are in the mood for a gambit, study the Staunton Gambit, which is 1. d4 f5 2. e4.  You get good play in those situations.

amilton542

This is how I play against the Dutch.

White queen to move to a square of your choice, followed with a queenside castle then a h2-h4-h5 to follow and possible g-pawn gambit.

X_PLAYER_J_X

I agree with BirdBrain post.

All I will add will be a line which I like to use. It is very similar though.

However, I prefer the move 2.c4 being played.

The advice I will give you will be not to move your king knight until you see black make a pawn move and/or Until they have stalled long enough.

For example:




X_PLAYER_J_X

I agree with amilton542 post as well.

All I will add will be a line which I like to use sometimes. I use it to annoy Dutch players HA HA. It is very similar though.

However, I prefer the move 3.Bg5 sometimes.

What can I say I love spanking the Dutch with different lines lol.




Ram565656

Thanks for the help everyone

Ram565656

Ok thanks

BirdsDaWord

Let me give you another system which truly is annoying - the d3-e4 setup.  It's not that it is an instant win for White - it is just that it is a different type of pawn formation, and one that normally produces a groan from me (but allows me to explore other ideas I don't get to play all the time).

X_PLAYER_J_X
BirdBrain wrote:

Let me give you another system which truly is annoying - the d3-e4 setup.  It's not that it is an instant win for White - it is just that it is a different type of pawn formation, and one that normally produces a groan from me (but allows me to explore other ideas I don't get to play all the time).

Kings Indian Attack set up?

HA HA yeah man they sure do upset some players lol.

BirdsDaWord

That and you can achieve it through English setup as well.

Ram565656

That may be a good opening for me to play so thanks

amilton542

Ok Morphysrevenge I'll challenge you since I'm a 1) d4 player, but I also play 1) e4 as well.

Challenge sent.

TurboFish

Looks like white accidentally skipped a move (like b3 or Nd2). Yell

But, on second thought, the f4 bishop is hanging.  Sharp.  So, white skipped more than one move before prematurely trying the pin.

TheOldReb

There are several good anti-dutch lines to choose from as white with 2 Bg5 being one of the best/most popular . 

BirdsDaWord

Reb, I agree with you on 2. Bg5.  Do you play the Dutch btw?

TheOldReb

I play the white side only these days but did try it as black for about a year . One of the reasons I quit the dutch was due to all the anti-dutch lines and then you had the main lines too .... just too much work ! 

BirdsDaWord

Reb, I agree on the "theory", but I also feel there is a "feel" approach to the Dutch, do you agree at all with that thought?  

As for 2. Bg5, I have been trying William's ...h6 idea, but I am not happy with it.  I am debating on going into other lines.  I think 2...g6 might be an interesting venture.

Pablouned

It is very difficult, but about the Stauton Gambit, i wrote these lines (in spanish). 

"HOLANDESA

ANTIHOLANDESAS.

 

CON EL GAMBITO STAUTON, LAS BLANCAS NO ENTRAN.

Antes de pasar a las jugadas, decir que en esta línea, las blancas entregan el peón para abrir líneas. Y que la lógica estrategia negra es intentar cerrar, enrocarse y consolidarse. Las negras establecerán el peón de e4 como una roca para consolidarse y e4 no capturará f3. E incluso, si es necesario devolver el peón de e4, se devuelve. A cambio las negras podrían lograr la pareja de alfiles. Esto es lo que pasa cuando las blancas hacen este gambito sin Cc3.

1.     d4 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. f3 d5 4. fxe4 dxe4 5. Bc4 Nf6 6. Ne2 e5  

De modo que, para dar vida al blanco en esta variante, es necesario Cc3.

Aquí hay que proteger e4 a toda costa, pero d5 no vale por el jaque, luego es necesaria Cf6.

Y sólo si f3, d5. Y si es necesario, proteger aún más el peón con Af5.

Sirva esto a modo de ejemplo.

1.     d4 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 d5 5. Bg5 Bf5  

 

La auténtica piedra de toque para las negras, viene con la jugada de Ag5. En cuyo caso, la jugada principal no parece dar nada bueno a las negras y es preferible b6.

Y para recuperar el peón, hay que ceder el par de alfiles. Y si el blanco intenta abrir con f3, el negro devuelve el peón con e3, lo que le da una buena posición, dada la descoordinación de piezas blancas. Pero obsérvese que los principios de blancas abrir y negras cerrar, del capítulo e4 e5, también se aplican en los gambitos antiholandeses. ¿Por qué? Porque sí, la holandesa es cerrada en principio, sin embargo, desde que el blanco abre sacrificando, se convierte en una apertura abierta, donde el negro debe cerrar a toda costa, incluso al precio de devolver material.

Aquí un ejemplo de desarrollo.

1.     d4 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 b6 5. f3 e3 6. Bxe3 Bb7 7.Bd3 e6  

 

Conozco otro gambito por ahí, con g4, pero parece que con no aceptarlo y jugar la estructura del muro de piedra es más que suficiente. Si la mejor jugada es 3.g5, no tengo mucho más que decir. "