I wonder which is the heavy metal and which is the symphony, then
What's better, the Queen's Gambit or the King's Gambit?
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The one that is better is the one which doesn't have a refutation haha
Pooor KG
Fischer claimed to have refuted it long ago.
Nov 30, 2015
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#24
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The one that is better is the one which doesn't have a refutation haha
Pooor KG
Fischer claimed to have refuted it long ago.
It still isn't refuted.
Nov 30, 2015
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#25
I always play kings gambit if possible because I find it fun to play. And it is super dangerous whatever nonsense is said about it. Loads of people on these forums say its refuted and therefore not worthwhile but I completely disagree. Sure, black probably has the best chances if he knows exactly what moves to play but nobody here saying 'its refuted' would be able to successfully play black vs a GM who opened with it (or any other opening obviously) GM vs GM its not a good choice for white but were all amateurs trying to enjoy the game and win if possible. If ur a beginner I think its a great choice because you see many tactics for both colours. Nothing wrong with queens gambit I just cant play it well myself and dont like the positions as much.
Dec 1, 2015
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#26
Fischer's refutation of the King's Gambit was not what it claimed to be.
Chessbase posted an April Fool's Day joke a few years ago claiming that Rybka had refuted the King's Gambit. There are still people who repeat that classic joke.
The most serious challenge to the King's Gambit has been John Shaw's excellent book on the King's Gambit. There were some issues about his citing his sources correctly, but the analysis has so far stood up to scrutiny. There are a few lines that aren't fully resolved yet, but the King's Gambit is now on the critical list. White gains no advantage in the main lines and even struggles for equality in some lines.
The King's Gambit is very close to refuted now. Not because of the work of Fischer or Rybka, but because of the work of John Shaw.
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Gambit-Grandmaster-Guide-John/dp/1906552711
The King's Gambit is still playable as an occasional weapon OTB. But it is being played less and less since Shaw's book was published at the elite levels. It certainly shouldn't be played in correspondence unless you have Shaw's book and have found one of the few lines that still have not been fully resolved. For selfish reasons, I won't name them here.
White has found a way to survive in the Fischer Defense?
How interesting!
Poor Fischer said he refuted it and now people are saying he didn't.
Amazing!
Dec 1, 2015
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#28
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
White has found a way to survive in the Fischer Defense?
How interesting!
Poor Fischer said he refuted it and now people are saying he didn't.
Amazing!
o.O
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
White has found a way to survive in the Fischer Defense?
How interesting!
Poor Fischer said he refuted it and now people are saying he didn't.
Amazing!
o.O
I am not a hard core Kings Gambit fan.
So I honestly don't know what up-to-date novelties white has found in that line.
Dec 1, 2015
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#30
Let's put it this way,
Spassky, Short, Ivanchuk, Naka, Carlsen and others have all played the King's Gambit successfully since Fischers article. Since Shaw's book was published, it's only occurred seven times in standard time control games by someone rated +2650. White does have a plus score, 2 wins, 4 draws, and a loss in those games. However, one of those games was Rapport-Bromberger, a game with a ~150 pt rating gap.
Something seems to have happened since 2013.
SmyslovFan wrote:
Let's put it this way,
Spassky, Short, Ivanchuk, Naka, Carlsen and others have all played the King's Gambit successfully since Fischers article. Since Shaw's book was published, it's only occurred seven times in standard time control games by someone rated +2650. White does have a plus score, 2 wins, 4 draws, and a loss in those games. However, one of those games was Rapport-Bromberger, a game with a ~150 pt rating gap.
Something seems to have happened since 2013.
Kool if that is the case than the Queens Gambit is better and wins this thread match.
lol
king's
Dec 20, 2015
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#34
the queens gambit declined is also sharp and crazy if you play the lines where you expand with f3 and e4
Dec 20, 2015
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#35
The KG is a surprise weapon, the QG is a friend for life. 99% of d4 players go for the queen's gambit.....I doubt 1% of e4 players go for the king's.
kings gambit is good!
Feb 28, 2023
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#37
The Queen's Gambit is a universally accepted solid opening for white, while the King's Gambit is a bit antiquated and esoteric. If black plays perfect against the King's Gambit there's no pressure or advantage for white. Not a totally losing opening, just I think most would agree not as solid as the Queen's Gambit.
I think that the Queen's Gambit is better.
The Queen's Gambit is significantly more respected and is a very sound, solid opening. c4 is normally just the best and most active move after d4.
The King's Gambit is more aggressive but much more risky and unsound. It's not as respected nowadays but has some status because of history.
To compare one with the other is like comparing a beautifully craftied symphany with a hard rock/heavy metal peice.
People will like both and people will hate both.....