whats the best way to counter traxler counter attack
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SNUDOO έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
5.d4!
what's the idea behind this move?
Something like that.
Notice that it's not only the f4 square, but in certain cases the d4 one, as well.
I agree d4 is very annoying for black.
Moreover, less known than Bxf7 and Nxf7, u can surprise your opponent easily.
Jul 5, 2020
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Just for some background info: IM pfren knows the Traxler inside and out as he has played it numerous times both as white and black in correspondence tournaments. He has performed engine analysis to extraordinary depths and should be considered an expert in the opening.
pinkblueecho έγραψε:
Just for some background info: IM pfren knows the Traxler inside and out as he has played it numerous times both as white and black in correspondence tournaments. He has performed engine analysis to extraordinary depths and should be considered an expert in the opening.
Actually I have not played this thing more than one dozen times. All that I know about it is due to the work I have done on the games while they were ongoing.
OTB I have never played 4.Ng5 as white, and as Black I have 100% with another unsound defense: the Ulvestad.
The difference is that the Ulvestad is "almost" unsound, as Black gets a bit of play for his pawn, while the only question about the Traxler is if it loses by force, or not.
The best Black can hope of after 5.d4! is playing a pawn down for no compensation. This can be done in two different ways. While I'm not sure that white should win the resulting positions for sure, they are (both of them) so depressing to defend, that the Traxler should be discarded as unsound.
Maybe there is also a defintive refutation in 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bc4, which is much less popular that the retreat to d5 or b3. I guess I will play this the next time I meet the Traxler, as I get slightly bored playing the same stuff again, and again...
Jul 5, 2020
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pfren wrote:
SNUDOO έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
5.d4!
what's the idea behind this move?
Something like that.
Notice that it's not only the f4 square, but in certain cases the d4 one, as well.
thanks!
pfren wrote:
pinkblueecho έγραψε:
Just for some background info: IM pfren knows the Traxler inside and out as he has played it numerous times both as white and black in correspondence tournaments. He has performed engine analysis to extraordinary depths and should be considered an expert in the opening.
Actually I have not played this thing more than one dozen times. All that I know about it is due to the work I have done on the games while they were ongoing.
OTB I have never played 4.Ng5 as white, and as Black I have 100% with another unsound defense: the Ulvestad.
The difference is that the Ulvestad is "almost" unsound, as Black gets a bit of play for his pawn, while the only question about the Traxler is if it loses by force, or not.
The best Black can hope of after 5.d4! is playing a pawn down for no compensation. This can be done in two different ways. While I'm not sure that white should win the resulting positions for sure, they are (both of them) so depressing to defend, that the Traxler should be discarded as unsound.
Maybe there is also a defintive refutation in 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bc4, which is much less popular that the retreat to d5 or b3. I guess I will play this the next time I meet the Traxler, as I get slightly bored playing the same stuff again, and again...
Would you mind sending me some notes or a game you played in the Ulvestad? I like it’s aggressive style and surprise value, so I frequently play it. It does leave blacks pawn structure fractured, especially with proper play (though, in 80 or so Ulvestad games I’ve played, only one player saw and played 6. Bf1). But resources on it are far and few between.
Preusseagro έγραψε:
The autors says that Kf1 is the best way to refute the traxler. Do you agree here at least.
The "autors" say that 5.Nxf7 is a stupid move which throws away any hope of a white advantage - end of story.
I used to play 6. Bc4 but now play 6.Bb3 saving the Bishop for later.
And castle asap of course.
Preusseagro έγραψε:
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Preusseagro έγραψε:
The autors says that Kf1 is the best way to refute the traxler. Do you agree here at least.
The "autors" say that 5.Nxf7 is a stupid move which throws away any hope of a white advantage - end of story.
The autor Der-Schacspieler gave in the link says otherwise but ok
ttps://web.archive.org/web/20060107234947/http://www.newinchess.com/Yearbook/pdf/YB63_146.pdf
"4.d4!? at least as good as Nxf7" Heismann says here
Maarten de Zeeuw's articles are way outdated, and the Heisman CD even more so. The truth is that 5.d4! is a very strong move, and 5.Nxf7? a lemon.
Preusseagro έγραψε:
what do you play after d5?
6.Bxd5 of course, ansd I won't repeat things and games I've already said/ posted several times here. Search them.
At best, Black stays down a pawn for no compensation (in two different lines).