You said it.
What's wrong with 1.b4?
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I have to disagree with Black having anything close to full equality after 1.g4 FirebrandX
FirebrandX wrote:
netzach wrote:
You said it.
Since all you seem to do on these forums is make drive-by insults and nitpick any spelling and/or grammar mistake, you'd best make sure your own posts are spot-on perfect from now on, lest you end up getting trolled yourself.
Why you post a diagrammed game ending at move 6 and lost on time FX?
Please enlighten us with your strong expert knowledge on the purpose behind that.
Cannot make allowance for your oversensitivity or add extraneous words just to make you feel happy.
Your diagram may have made sense had you continued to show a winning game for black but fact is you did not.
How is your chess960 games doing these days?
Would you like a challenge??
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FirebrandX wrote:
Once again you failed to grasp the point. The game was intended to show that nothing had been resolved as a joke on the entire subject. I guess I should have added in a smiley icon to make you happy as well.
Honestly, my previous reply completely checkmated your attempt to troll me. Go have fun playing with yourself. Go on now. Shoo!
winky icons are good for jokes too
eaglejorge wrote:
b4 is unprotected. d4 is protected , d4 wins. /hot
using that logic, a3 beats e4
Well in general your first move should either develop a piece or open op development while keeping your pawn position intact so b4 does a bit more damage to pawn structure the e4
I recently played a game where I started with 1.b4. I probably misplayed the opening a little, but black made some inaccuries and I got better after the opening. The game was decided near the endgame and will prove nothing at all to this thread. 
falcogrine wrote:
eaglejorge wrote:
b4 is unprotected. d4 is protected , d4 wins. /hot
using that logic, a3 beats e4
a3 is protected 4 times actually (if you include the bishop behind the b pawn), so its 4x as good as 1.d4.
Now, the real question is what's better? 1.a3 or 1.h3?
Fear_ItseIf wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
eaglejorge wrote:
b4 is unprotected. d4 is protected , d4 wins. /hot
using that logic, a3 beats e4
a3 is protected 4 times actually (if you include the bishop behind the b pawn), so its 4x as good as 1.d4.
Now, the real question is what's better? 1.a3 or 1.h3?
1.g3, obviously. It's protected only three times, but twice by a pawn.
Oh no wait, it could be vaguely playable....
1.f3 rather. It also makes a luft for the king.
I started playing the Orangutan a long time ago. I had won the Chess Wars
tournament with this opening. See game below. In those days I played
a double fianchetto version of the Orangutan and played it like a reversed
Sicilian Defense. The Orangutan is highly transpositional in nature. I can
easily transpose into other opening positions. I do believe it at the worst
it is at least equal. But in those days I used to dump all of my openings every 6 months to keep my close cometitors from effectively preparing for my openings.
[Event "Chess Wars - Part 2 Rd 3"]
[Site "HCDCH"]
[Date "1981.03.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nakamura, Clyde"]
[Black "Chernin, Oliver"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2030"]
[BlackElo "2096"]
[Annotator "Orangutan Opening"]
[PlyCount "81"]
1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Bg4 3. g3 f6 4. Bg2 e5 5. a3 a5 6. c3 c6 7. Nf3 axb4 8. cxb4
Nd7 9. O-O Bd6 10. d3 Ne7 11. Nbd2 O-O 12. h3 Be6 13. e4 Nb6 14. d4 Na4 15. Qc1 Nxb2 16. Qxb2 exd4 17. Nxd4 Bf7 18. Kh2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Qc7 20. Rac1 Be5 21. N2f3 Rfd8 22. Rfd1 f5 23. Bb1 Kh8 24. Ba2 Bh5 25. Nxe5 Qxe5 26. f4 Qf6 27. Rd2 Nd5 28. Re1 Re8 29. Qc1 h6 30. Rxe8+ Rxe8 31. Bxd5 cxd5 32. Qc7 b6 33. Qd7 Ra8 34. Qxd5 Rxa3 35. Qxf5 Qxf5 36. Nxf5 Rb3 37. g4 Rxb4 (37... Bg6 38. Ne7 Bd3 39. f5 Kh7 40. Ng6 h5 41. Ne5 Bb1 42. Rd7 Kh6 43. Nf7+ Kh7) 38. gxh5 Rxf4 39. Ne7 Re4 40. Rd8+ Kh7 41. Ng6 1-0
Best Regards
DarthMusashi
Recently I have been experienting with a new line in the Orangutan
called the Orang Colorado Gambit 1. b4 e5 2.f4. See 2 games below.
This is actually advanced gambit theory where I sac 3 pawns for the
attack. As they say no guts no glory. If you are too squeemish about
sacing 3 pawns then I do not recommend that you play this gambit.
Best Regards
DarthMusashi
[Event "ICC Game 15 minutes"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2012.08.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nakamura, Clyde"]
[Black "Thomas"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2100"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[Annotator "Orang Colorado Gambit"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900"]
1. b4 e5 2. f4 {Orang Colorado Gambit} exf4 3. Nf3 Bxb4 4. Bb2 Nf6 5. e3 {I will attempt to sac 2 more pawns to obtain a quick development so that I can attack the Black Kingside castled position} fxe3 6. Bd3 Bc5 7. dxe3 {7. 0-0 would be an error because 7....e2+ and the White Q drops} O-O 8. O-O Bxe3+ 9. Kh1 Nc6 10. Nbd2 {I am close to achieve full development of my pieces and set to attack the Black Kingside castled position} Re8 11. Nc4 Bc5 12. Ng5 d5 {? a fatal error because 13. Bxf6 would totally wreck the Black castled position} 13. Bxf6 gxf6 {this threatens mate in all directions} 14. Qh5 Be6 15. Nxh7 {this blocks the Black K from escaping thru f8} Bd4 16. Rf3 {threatening Rg3+ and mate in a few moves} Ne7 17. Nxf6+ Bxf6 18. Rxf6 Nf5 19. Qg5+ Ng7 20. Ne5 {increasing the pressure on the weakened Black Kingside position} Qe7 21. Raf1 Qa3 22. Qh6 {Black is lost and cannot stop checkmate in a few moves} Nf5 23.Bxf5 Qh3 {a desperado move to slow down my attack} 24. gxh3 Bxf5 25. Rg1+ Bg6
26. Rxf7 Rxe5 27. Qg7# {White mates} 1-0
[Event "ICC Game 15 minutes"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2012.08.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nakamura, Clyde"]
[Black "IM_Ignazio"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2100"]
[BlackElo "2450"]
[Annotator "Orang Colorado Gambit"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
1. b4 e5 2. f4 {Orang Colorado Gambit} exf4 3. Nf3 {to prevent Qh4+} Bxb4 4. Bb2 Nf6 5. e3 fxe3 6. Bd3 Ng4 7. O-O {forced otherwise Nf2 wins the White R} O-O 8. h3 Nf2 9. Qe2 Nxd3 10. Qxd3 Bc5 11. Kh1 Qe7 12. Nc3 Qd6 13. Qe2 {exchanging Queens is not an option because the endgame would be fatal} exd2 14. Nxd2 Qe6 15. Qh5 {exchanging Queens in not an option because White is 3 pawns down. The endgame would be fatal} Na6 16. Nde4 Bd4 17. Rae1 Qg6 18. Qh4 Bxc3 {? an error according to Houdini 1.5a the evaluation went from 0.00 to +- 3.86} 19. Bxc3 f6 {f5 was better according to Houdini 1.5a} 20. Rf3 Kh8 21. Rg3 Qe8 22. Nxf6 {! the final hammer blow, Black will now get chrushed} Qxe1+ 23. Bxe1
Rxf6 24. Bc3 h5 25. Bxf6 Kg8 26. Rxg7+ Kf8 27. Qxh5 d6 28. Qf7# 1-0
btw is Clyde Nakamura related to Hikaru Nakamura?
I have posted those same 2 games below in a game view format.
Best Regards
DarthMusashi
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Well, I'd say that surprise value is objective, based on relative knowledge of the line you've sprung. If it turns out you have deeper knowledge, that becomes a tangible advantage, even if only on the clock.