Where to put white's black squared bishop in the queens gambit?

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Avatar of AtaChess68

My knowledge of openings is limited but I apply the golden rules (fight for centre, develop, castle and connect rooks). I always play the queens gambit with white to get familiar with at least one opening system. And i have always played my black squared bishop at d2.

after something like above and then d2, f4 or g5?
 
 
 
So I have always played d2 but I notice in the Carlsen Invitational that there are other options played more often (round 1 to 4):
 
f4 => 7 times
g5 => 3 times
d2 => 2 times
b2 => 1 time
And even not moving the bishop at all in the opening has been played (Ding vs Ferouzja, Nakamura vs Giri).
 
I think I have to learn something here. Any thought's? Do the options have different namens? Pro's en cons?
 
regards,
 
 

 

Avatar of ThrillerFan

This is the Slav, not the Queen's Gambit Declined.  Different openings, different answers.

 

In your example, Black's second move is dubious at best!  White should take on d5.

 

To answer your question, it must be broken in 3 parts:

 

A) 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6?! 3.cxd5! Nxd5 4.Nf3! With e4 coming in the not so distant future (depends on Black).  Advantage White!

 

B) 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 (Slav Defense) 3.Nf3 Nf6 and now you can play a solid but drawish exchange line (4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 and now the Bishop goes to f4!  NOT g5 as the Black e-pawn has not moved, so the knight is not pinned) or you can play 4.Nc3 where if 4...dxc4, then 5.a4 and 6.e3 or 6.Ne5 and that Bishop on c1 stays home for a while.  If 4...e6, you can play 5.Bg5 (Anti-Meran) or 5.e3 (Allowing the Meran and again that Bishop stays home and goes to b2 often)

 

C) 1 d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 and here, you do not want the Bishop inside the pawn chain.  So 4.Bg5 followed by 5.e3 and 6.Nf3 in most cases.

 

Hope this helps.

Avatar of Uhohspaghettio1

1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6? is the Marshall Defence, it's a crappy opening that allows white a clear advantage without any counter to it. 

The dark-squared bishop is bad in queen pawn openings. Sometimes white moves it to g5 and would like to exchange for black's opposing bishop. Bf4 is reasonable also, but white must be able to deal with Nh5 or an attack on the queenside such as Qb6. 

4. e3 is probably the objectively best move in the given position.

Avatar of AtaChess68
This is helpful indeed!

My question is not ‘what should be my next move in this position?’ but rather ‘what should in do with my dark squared bishop in queen pawn openings?’ (thx Uhohspag for helping me formulate my question).

I am gonna play the given suggestions otb and I am gonna check the difference between the Slav, the queens gambit and the Marshall defense.

I be back.
Avatar of AtaChess68
Ah... Carlsen vs Caruana live... black plays 1. ... Kf6 straight from the beginning...