Which are the opening traps that don't backfire?

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Which are the opening traps, which when played and if the bait is not taken, don't backfire?

Thanks a lot.

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I think you don't really mean "traps", but openings where a incorrect response from your opponent can lead to a decisive move or combination. There are a few in the Budapest, eg:

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Thanks. But I do really mean traps. Like the Fishing Pole.

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In the Vienna game:

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Some opennings, some are variations and some are traps.

 

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I think the very definition of a trap implies that it can at least to some extent backfire. Otherwise it's just a strong move.

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Shakaali wrote:

I think the very definition of a trap implies that it can at least to some extent backfire. Otherwise it's just a strong move.


What I was thinking too.

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rooperi wrote:
Shakaali wrote:

I think the very definition of a trap implies that it can at least to some extent backfire. Otherwise it's just a strong move.


What I was thinking too.


Thanks a lot for the replies.

But, if we search for fishing pole chess trap in google, the first one is a you tube video telling specifically that even if the bait is not taken, there is no backfire for black. So, I was looking for such opening traps.

And in the  thread,

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/top-three-most-effective-opening-traps

RoseQueen (#2) states : "I HIGHLY recommend against traps, unless said trap improves your game also and doesn't backfire if the opponent declines it. "

I agree to that and what I wanted to know is whether there are traps which won't backfire if the opponent denies like fishing pole and if yes, which are those.

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Another trap thread? Here's one that's worked twice for me in CC and that won't backfire on you:

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Well, I knew that already. I think it was posted in the other thread also. Anyway, thanks.

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Azukikuru wrote:

Another trap thread? Here's one that's worked twice for me in CC and that won't backfire on you:

 


 haha, worked for me too... but of course against those that dont know abt it... but it doesnt hurt to keep playing the line hoping ur opponet falls for it... i just love the look on their faces when they realise they cant protect their piece...

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Traps rarely work if your opponent is tactically strong. You might as well become tactically strong yourself instead of relying on cheapos in the opening.

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Look for the book "Unorthodox Openings" by Benjamin and Schiller

http://www.chesscity.com/PDF/UCO_Front.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Unorthodox-Openings-Macmillan-Chess-Library/dp/0020165900

Lots of traps in there

It won't improve your chess very much though it is a fun book

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sekhar1 wrote:
rooperi wrote:
Shakaali wrote:

I think the very definition of a trap implies that it can at least to some extent backfire. Otherwise it's just a strong move.


What I was thinking too.


Thanks a lot for the replies.

But, if we search for fishing pole chess trap in google, the first one is a you tube video telling specifically that even if the bait is not taken, there is no backfire for black. So, I was looking for such opening traps.

Well, yeah if by backfiring you mean that it doesn't lead to a clearly lost position then there are many traps that satisfy that criterion. But I still seriously doubt that if white reacts accurately the Fishing Pole is inferior compared to the normal variations in black's disposal. In general, I don't think that YouTube videos are very authoritative source on these mattersWink.

For example, 3. e3 in Azukikuru's example is hardly a move that one would usually call a trap. Even many masters regularily play it but the idea of the move is not to capture the a8-rook if black makes stupid mistakes (you can never in a million years expect that against strong opposition) but rather more modestly to continue development and recover the pawn.

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I don't actually think that there are that many traps that can backfire, simply because people don't want to play bad moves only in the hopes of catching their opponent making an even worse move. Only this trap comes to mind as something that can backfire: the Blackburne-Shilling Gambit.

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The Albin Counter-Gambit give you a good game, and you don't have to set a trap, really. Lasker Trap. 

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Shakaali wrote:
sekhar1 wrote:
rooperi wrote:
Shakaali wrote:

I think the very definition of a trap implies that it can at least to some extent backfire. Otherwise it's just a strong move.


What I was thinking too.


Thanks a lot for the replies.

But, if we search for fishing pole chess trap in google, the first one is a you tube video telling specifically that even if the bait is not taken, there is no backfire for black. So, I was looking for such opening traps.

Well, yeah if by backfiring you mean that it doesn't lead to a clearly lost position then there are many traps that satisfy that criterion. But I still seriously doubt that if white reacts accurately the Fishing Pole is inferior compared to the normal variations in black's disposal. In general, I don't think that YouTube videos are very authoritative source on these matters.

For example, 3. e3 in Azukikuru's example is hardly a move that one would usually call a trap. Even many masters regularily play it but the idea of the move is not to capture the a8-rook if black makes stupid mistakes (you can never in a million years expect that against strong opposition) but rather more modestly to continue development and recover the pawn.


So, do you mean to say that one should avoid using all kinds of opening traps as all of them could backfire?

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^ I  think you are right about Mortimer. The black seems fine when the pawn is not taken by white.

Are there any other such "safe" traps? Laughing

Thanks a lot.

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This is another opening trap:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=168321314

Sealed

Is this trap named? If not, I would like to put my name for it.

LOL

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No, 7.Ne5?? is just a blunder.