Which is better king’s indian, sicilian or Caro Kann?
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which is better?
IMBacon wrote:
Depends.
I agree. It could depend on the opponent, but I would say the Sicilian is the best one. There is a ton of theory, which is powerful and you can change the game in an instant to catch an opponent off guard. My personal favorite. Don't take my word for it though.
Jul 18, 2021
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#4
I like the Sicilian and will play the CK the odd time when I mouse slip c5 and land on c6. The CK is solid and I have a difficult time playing against it with the English Opening.
As for the KID, it has its place and a strong reputation against d4. KID is also a solid reply against the London System.
As for the KID, it has its place and a strong reputation against d4. KID is also a solid reply against the London System.
Jul 18, 2021
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#6
King's Indian is a d4 opening so it can't really be compared to the other 2. Caro and Sicilian are basically the same in quality although the Sicilian has a higher win rate at the highest level (Which means nothing at 800)
Sicilian > Caro-Kann > King's Indian Defence
At the last Yekaterinburg Candidates' Tournament several Sicilians were played and with good results for black, only 1 Caro-Kann played, a loss for black, no King's Indian Defence played, it is now frowned upon by the top players as not really sound.
i think it's hard to find people who play all three so that you can get an opinion based on actual playing experience. it's also hard to say something is better if you have no idea what the other thing is. that is if you don't play it.
Jul 19, 2021
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#9
king5minblitz119147 wrote:
i think it's hard to find people who play all three so that you can get an opinion based on actual playing experience. it's also hard to say something is better if you have no idea what the other thing is. that is if you don't play it.
I have played all 3 and can tell you the following:
1) There is absolutely no way to compare the King's Indian to the other two. The King's Indian is a Defense to 1.d4 while the other 2 are defenses to 1.e4.
2) Do not listen to any clown on this thread that says the Sicilian is better than the Caro-Kann or that the Caro-Kann is better than the Sicilian. There are FOUR equally good responses to 1.e4. They are, in no specific order, 1...e5, the French (1...e6), the Sicilian (1...c5), and the Caro-Kann (1...c6). Of those four, one is no better than the other. The other 16 moves are all weaker to varying degrees. For example, 1...f5 is worse than 1...Nf6. But of the 4 best options, the best is what you understand (NOT memorize) best! For me, that is 1...e6. For someone else, it may be 1...c5. For another, it may be 1...e5. Etc.
Another thing is - do not get tied up in computer assessments or statistics. If the Sicilian scores 48%, the French scores 47%, the Caro scores 46.5%, and 1...e5 scores 46%, that would not make 1...e5 the weakest. You have to factor in games before theory was known, how many games were played by lower players (lower does not mean 1800, lower could be White was 2700 and Black was 2550) as Black. How many are bad sidelines (i.e. the Latvian Gambit as a whole will lower Black's numbers for 1...e5 as a whole)?
Fritz may say 1...c5 is +0.27 and 1...e5 is +0.31. It may also say 1...e6 is +0.35 today and +0.28 tomorrow. Big whoop! This does not validly determine which is best either!
Long story short, of the Sicilian and Caro-Kann, one is not any better than the other, and do not believe any clown on this thread that claims such. They are going strictly on their own comfort zone. It would be like if I said the French was better than the other 3 responses simply because it is my own opening of choice. You could not possibly say anything dumber than that as a form of reasoning for which opening is best.
Of the Caro and Sicilian, play whichever better suits your style of play!
Jul 19, 2021
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#10
These are all main defenses that perform well at all levels (even at the highest engine levels).
With "perfect" play they all probably lead to draws, anyway, so there likely isn't a "best" option to choose.
The main consideration is that they each lead to different kinds of middlegames. So one simply needs to decide which style of middlegame they'd prefer to play.
There is no comparison, as they are responses to different openings.
And even each one of them, cannot be judged like that: All three have many options/variations that black may choose. Some of them are sound, while others are not. For example, the Sicilian Dragon is a very risky business, and the Najdorf even riskier for an amateur, due to its extreme complexity. BUt other Sicilians like the Kan and the 4 knights are quite manageable, and safe.
The KID has entirely chaotic lines, as well as safe, positional ones. In the Caro, there are a few "mainlines" with varying complexity and practical value.
But anyway, your question might become useful for you in the future: Just see at the threads who is claiming stuff like "The Sicilian is best, and the KID is bad".
You may well ignore his comments in the future as clueless.