Why are there few Caro-Kann players?

  • #121
    Fiveofswords wrote:

    well most people over a certain level do have a general plan of what they will do when their opponent just does nothing moves. Because this does actually happen more than you might expect.  Maybe not 1500-1600 players. I dont know.

    But ultimately you are jsut giving yourself a position where you jsut cant do much. You can hope that your opponent attacks poorly, but thats it.

    If you want to abuse 1500-1600 lack of ability to play in unfamiliar positions, why not get reaosnable mobility and THEN make the position unfamiliar? THats not so hard. ANd when they blunder from there you could jsut win, instead of slowly crawl out of the hole you dug for yourself.

    I find the mobility brought on by opening the position more allows for counter play, many tactics and the greater likelihood that I blunder. I don't mind a sharp fight and going down swinging but, sometimes I like a change of pace. Think of it as letting the other guy wear himself out, while I take the punches.

  • #122
    XPLAYERJX wrote:

    I agree with Fiveofswords Its hard trying to win with solid lines alone let alot putting yourself in a huge disadvantage than trying to come back take my game for example I lost, with a solid line, don't you just hate those mouse slips and I was on the white side

     



    Ouch...

  • #123

    to many people play the caro in my opinion, and it is solid.

  • #124

    I used to play it many years ago, but then I saw the much easier game I get with 1...e5 and immediately gave it up. I haven't looked back since.

  • #125

    “The Brave Hedgehog”

    There was a box lying out-of-doors.
    Wild beasts came up to the box, looked it over, sniffed it, and licked it.
    And then the box went one, two, three – and it opened.
    Out of the box – one, two, three – came a snake.
    The beasts were scared, and ran away.
    Only the hedgehog was not afraid. He bent down to the snake and one, two,
    three – ate it all up. And then he sat on the box, and cried out, “Cu-curu-curu!”
    No, that’s not it – the hedgehog cried out, “Honk! Honk! Honk!”
    No, that’s not it either! The hedgehog cried out, “Meow! Meow! Meow!”
    No, that’s not it either! I don’t know what a hedgehog sounds like.
    Who knows what a hedgehog says?”

    - Daniil Kharms, 1935

  • #126
    Inyustisia wrote:

    “The Brave Hedgehog”

    There was a box lying out-of-doors.
    Wild beasts came up to the box, looked it over, sniffed it, and licked it.
    And then the box went one, two, three – and it opened.
    Out of the box – one, two, three – came a snake.
    The beasts were scared, and ran away.
    Only the hedgehog was not afraid. He bent down to the snake and one, two,
    three – ate it all up. And then he sat on the box, and cried out, “Cu-curu-curu!”
    No, that’s not it – the hedgehog cried out, “Honk! Honk! Honk!”
    No, that’s not it either! The hedgehog cried out, “Meow! Meow! Meow!”
    No, that’s not it either! I don’t know what a hedgehog sounds like.
    Who knows what a hedgehog says?”

    - Daniil Kharms, 1935

    Kids--Just say "no" to mind-altering substances.

    Are you advocating the Hedgehog Defense, or are you just posting crazy writings?

  • #127

    both. mostly the latter though

  • #128
    jposthuma wrote:

    I play the Caro-Cann, and I actually think it can be a very interesting and agressive opening. Y'all should check out "Dangerous Weapons: The Caro-Kann" by IM John Emms and see what I'm talking about 

    Did you check out the "Caro-Kann Study Group" team vote games; maybe you can still get in on it. I like the CK myself and use it in my correspondence games.

  • #129

    Try with White Advanced Variation. 

    1. e4 c6

    2. d4 d5

    3. e5

  • #130

    The 69th Russian Chess Championship Superfinal had a few CK games by Fedoseev I believe. I'm not a CK player.

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1842475

  • #131

    The October 2016 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 1874 August games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1 ... c5, 1 ... e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries report: 66 Najdorf Sicilians, 60 Caro Kanns, 48 2 Nf3 d6 sideline Sicilians, 46 Berlin Ruy Lopezes, 40 Kan Sicilians, and 35 Taimanov Sicilians.

  • #132
    GoddessKirino wrote:

    I've recently heard alot of talk about the Caro-Kann bieng drawish and "boring".However in my opinion it doesn't give white any advantages early on and it also gives black a solid position and no "bad minor pieces" unlike other openings for black.
    So the question is this,why don't higher rated player go for this opening and instead play the sicilian if it gives black such a fine position?

     

    The modern carokann is very complex and tactical. To play it for winning chances black often has to accurately defend against kingside attacks which are very complicated and very difficult to play against top 2750-2850 GMs. Ding Liren used to regularly play the carokann until he experienced some extremely frustrating losses in positions where he wasn't worse according to engines, but holding it and finding the win was way too challenging. That is why he switched over to 1... e5 and a certain variation of the sicilian (if I remember right) that are much easier to play and take a lot less mental strain. Other guys like Jobava thrive in the insane carokann positions. In a recent game David Navara also recently drew Fabiano Caruana who is in the 2800s in the carokann. It was a pretty complex game.

  • #133
    I play Caro-Kann myself and don't get too many draws. However the main reason people stop is because of the rise of 'Advance Variation'
    (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5)
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