why d4 is better than e4

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yeah

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naturalproduct wrote:
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what were you saying?

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ajian wrote:
naturalproduct wrote:
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what were you saying?

 

About what?

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Now how are you going to put a life ban on a zombie?

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We can open two games. You play d4 as white, I play e4 as white. I want to see how far is your theory from practice.

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It might be that 1.d4 is very slightly superior to 1.e4. Or maybe it's the opposite. But practically it doesn't mean anything to a player like me, or maybe even to a human player.

I would also like to mention that the final position given by ajian in the very first post of this series is fine for White. White's a pawn up and he can easily blockade the isolani. BTW it's not simple for Black to get his pawn back even after White plays 11.Nd4:

Regards,

SC

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I'm really sorry that I got into this post so late, or I could have saved you all a lot of sore fingers from typing so much.

The truth of the matter is that both e4 and d4 (or anything else white wants to try) are doomed from the start. This is because of the dirty little secret. Black has the advantage! Black, at any point in the game, has more information than his/her opponent, by virtue of the fact that white has made a move and exposed his strategy. Black can then make the move which best takes advantage of the situation.

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Anything but e4 has to be better. Why?

If you play e4 then most like you will play against the Sicilian. While playing anything but like Nf3, d4, b3/b4 lines, c4 etc will not have to see the Sicilian. In the case of Nf3 you still have the chance to avoid it. Engaging against the same defense becomes boring after a period of time.

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latvianlover wrote:

I'm really sorry that I got into this post so late, or I could have saved you all a lot of sore fingers from typing so much.

The truth of the matter is that both e4 and d4 (or anything else white wants to try) are doomed from the start. This is because of the dirty little secret. Black has the advantage! Black, at any point in the game, has more information than his/her opponent, by virtue of the fact that white has made a move and exposed his strategy. Black can then make the move which best takes advantage of the situation.

??  In the Christmas cheer early.

With so many e4 and d4 openings including with each variations there are hundreds of lines of play. Hey in that case the perfect game should have been found a long time ago.

Say that to your next opponent after you lose. And the next and next.

Know something all the great GM's do not know? Black book of chess?

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I'm sure the person above was joking when he or she mentioned that 1.e4 is a mistake because Black is likely to play the Sicilian. The Sicilian is an extremely risky opening that gives White a development advantage and attack and Black has to walk the razor's edge and know huge amounts of theory to even survive. True, if Black does survive the early middlegame, he has chances for all three results, which cannot necessarily be said of other mainstream openings, but that's a big if, especially below GM level.

And as for the person who said Black has the advantage, White can play a non-committal move like 1.e3, 1.d3 or 1.c3 and continue as Black in many cases. 1.c3 in particular has some nice transpositional possibilities as 1...e5 2.c4 is a Sicilian, 1...c5 2.c4 is a Symmetrical English, 1...d5 2.d4 is a Slav up a tempo, while 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 is a Benoni.

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yeah, my eg: sucks but you get the point

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zugzwang67 wrote:

But practically it doesn't mean anything to a player like me, or maybe even to a human player.

 

This sentence sounds like you're not human.... are you a platypus or something?

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Expertise87 wrote:

I'm sure the person above was joking when he or she mentioned that 1.e4 is a mistake because Black is likely to play the Sicilian. The Sicilian is an extremely risky opening that gives White a development advantage and attack and Black has to walk the razor's edge and know huge amounts of theory to even survive. True, if Black does survive the early middlegame, he has chances for all three results, which cannot necessarily be said of other mainstream openings, but that's a big if, especially below GM level.

And as for the person who said Black has the advantage, White can play a non-committal move like 1.e3, 1.d3 or 1.c3 and continue as Black in many cases. 1.c3 in particular has some nice transpositional possibilities as 1...e5 2.c4 is a Sicilian, 1...c5 2.c4 is a Symmetrical English, 1...d5 2.d4 is a Slav up a tempo, while 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 is a Benoni.

As Black among GM's Black stat wise has a better chance against d4 than e4 like a 2% better chance against d5 because of the Sicilian.

My first time using the Sicilian i knew only the moves. My opponent had no clue of my knowledge of it. At that time i won many games with it. On the theory part i would rather do that then study how to defend against all those vast e4 openings which case the Sicilian shoots down most of them.  

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Check.

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you want to know why??? Its not.

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More chance for an advantage, assuming that you don't play like I do Laughing.

 

My opening prep:



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At the moment I am trying to improve on this while avoiding the botvinnik.

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Anyway, essentially you've traded tempo for having a pawn on a central square.  Your position is optically nice, but you're basically just holding a strong point.  Black's ideas are more active, he will maneuver to try and break it down.  So here are some moves with clearer ideas.

If you do play cxd5 now black will play exd5 simply to keep a pawn in the center when his c5 break now means he's willing to accept an isolated pawn.  This type of play will have clearer ideas for you as white to play with (blockade, trade some pieces, win the pawn / endgame).  If he recaptures on d5 with the knight his minor pieces are a bit worse (you trade dark square bishops) and you can also build a big center with e4, a comfortable position for white.

After a move like a6 though, you can also consider 7.c5.  a6 both weakens b6 and also gives you the idea of playing for the eventual b5 break after you finish development, so that's another alternative that will give you a clearer way to play.

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by the way if you say you have to memorize a huge amount of theory to play the sicilian you have to do the same against it. And its alot more complicated than " white gets a big lead in development, so don't play the sicilian

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Here's a game I played.