why d4 is better than e4

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AlxMaster
pfren wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

  1.d4 beats 1.e4 by a full 2% across millions of games.  Pretty strong argument AGAINST 1.e4.

I did not favour any of these two moves over the other, but after your statement I'm confident that 1.e4 is best.

I only have to figure out why...

Because at top level e4 beats d4 on statistics, d4 wins only on a lower level.

royalbishop
SupremeOverlord wrote:

I only said Queen's gambit doesn't work. If white instead plays 2.Kd2!! he can fight for an edge.

Ok if we call it the SupremeOverlord Gambit will it work then.

Hey that 2. Kd2!  Tell me about all the advantages..... interested.

nameno1had
hasteking wrote:

Both 1.e4 and 1.d4 should objectively end with 1/2 - 1/2 with perfect play... so its a matter of taste.

That depends on the line you play and even some very popular openings have one side or the other winning when played by an engine. Chess is only a draw in theory, not practicality. The human factor is the only reason it is a draw in theory.

royalbishop

Quote from ......

"Only a d4 player can be my man"

nameno1had

I have had better, it's an e4 thing ...

Spiritbro77

After 4 moves there are a possible 71852, possible positions. Very quickly that number becomes incalcuable. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so. Seems silly to argue over which one move at the opening is "better" when considering the almost infinite possibilities that follow....

royalbishop
Spiritbro77 wrote:

After 4 moves there are a possible , possible positions. Very quickly that number becomes incalcuable. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so. Seems silly to argue over which one move at the opening is "better" when considering the almost infinite possibilities that follow....

If your opponent has no clue how to play the Sicilian and they continue to lose when they respond to e4 with e5 i will  hammer them with e4 every time till they show me they can handle it.

Same for an opponent that does not take positional play serious ..... here comes every d4 opening i can think of and the nasty positions that come with it that can rip your heart out.

JaneBellamy

d4 is for dummie4. Go e4! e4 is for ... em ... eSmartPeople4. Haha right in there! How do you like that!

royalbishop

What has e4 done for you lately.

d4 delivers day or night, rain or sunny. No matter where d4 has to go it will deliver. d4 coocked me a hot meal and paid all the bills.

JaneBellamy
royalbishop wrote:

What has e4 done for you lately.

d4 delivers day or night, rain or sunny. No matter where d4 has to go it will deliver. d4 coocked me a hot meal and paid all the bills.

The only thing d4 delivers are pizzas. And the son of a witch spits on them!

royalbishop
JaneBellamy wrote:
royalbishop wrote:

What has e4 done for you lately.

d4 delivers day or night, rain or sunny. No matter where d4 has to go it will deliver. d4 coocked me a hot meal and paid all the bills.

The only thing d4 delivers are pizzas. And the son of a witch spits on them!

Yeah d4 loses some games because e4 is always nagging to teach it how to play positional. Last time i checked d4 was waiting for e4 to deliver those pizzas and e4 still has not cleaned the windows. So hard to get good help these days.

WalangAlam

Not all d4 maybe the QGD some d4 needs to be played with precision like the gruenfeld. E4 will most likely met with the sicilian and if your opponent is a sicilian specialist then your playing in his backyard which is not always a good idea. I guess if one is practical he has to be ready with both e4 and d4 anytime, all the time.

bean_Fischer

I don't play e4. Sometimes I play d4. Mostly I play c4.

Comparing d4 and e4, d4 certainly has the edge. e4 is only for players that memorizes moves. d4 is for players who truely play ches. Chess I mean not cheese or chest.

kiwi-inactive

I prefer 1.d4, my opponents seem less prepared for an opening repertoire from d4. I like being able to play obscure openings like queens Indian defends or change the move order for Queens gambit.

chesshole
bean_Fischer wrote:

I don't play e4. Sometimes I play d4. Mostly I play c4.

Comparing d4 and e4, d4 certainly has the edge. e4 is only for players that memorizes moves. d4 is for players who truely play ches. Chess I mean not cheese or chest.

d4 is for players that truly play chess?  e4 is great move as well

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

I play them both, I find them equally good. I remember Bobby Fischer in 1972 had almost never played d4 until game 6 which was possibly the turning point of the match when he played c4 out of the blue then quickly transposed it to a Queens Gambit for 1 of the greatest games ever. So if Fischer can play both why not everyone?

Irontiger
Spiritbro77 wrote:

After 4 moves there are a possible 71852 possible positions. Very quickly that number becomes incalcuable. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so. Seems silly to argue over which one move at the opening is "better" when considering the almost infinite possibilities that follow....

When I go back home I have many roads to choose from to do the trip. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so (whatever this means). Seems silly to argue over which one trip is the "shortest" when considering the almost infinite possibilities.

What the hell is that logic ?

AlxMaster
Irontiger wrote:
Spiritbro77 wrote:

After 4 moves there are a possible 71852 possible positions. Very quickly that number becomes incalcuable. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so. Seems silly to argue over which one move at the opening is "better" when considering the almost infinite possibilities that follow....

When I go back home I have many roads to choose from to do the trip. Certainly not infinite, but virtually so (whatever this means). Seems silly to argue over which one trip is the "shortest" when considering the almost infinite possibilities.

What the hell is that logic ?

And by that same logic Na3 is as good as e4.

And only this week the number of arguments pro-Na3 is virtually infinite.

Therefore, Na3 is the best move.

bean_Fischer
QueenTakesKnightOOPS wrote:

I play them both, I find them equally good. I remember Bobby Fischer in 1972 had almost never played d4 until game 6 which was possibly the turning point of the match when he played c4 out of the blue then quickly transposed it to a Queens Gambit for 1 of the greatest games ever. So if Fischer can play both why not everyone?

Do you expect everyone to be WC?

nameno1had

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