why d4 is better than e4

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sapientdust
DaveOakRidges wrote:

I believe all squares are equal.

Under a rather strange definition of equal perhaps. Just like all the pieces are equal.

DaveOakRidges

but the pieces are all of different heights, shapes, and functions ......

the squares just sit there  ..... watching ...... doing nothing .... all of them.

cosmicharmonic

Mathematicians start with zero; there are sixty three squares, dur.

Masterjatin

I rarely play 1.d4 or 1.Nf3. Almost all times I use 1.e4,1.c4 or 1.b3 and achieved great success with them except 1.c4(I may have used it only a few times more than 1.d4). I'm gonna practice sometime with 1.Nf3 as it allows a lot of transposition, more than 1.c4, especially in reversed openings.

pyrrhos_aikides

i thought spanish, italian, and sicilian openings were pretty good for both sides but i guess i was wrong.

i know one thing, this is the wrong way to start a chess game with white.

Yaroslavl
TitanCG wrote:
Yaroslavl wrote:
TitanCG wrote:

The fact of the matter is that you should be able to find original play regardless of the first move. Not being able to has nothing to do with the pawn you pushed on move one. 

Because pawns cannot move backwards, every pawn move changes the position on the board permanently.  If you are a weak player you will not know why every pawn move, including the first one of the game affected being able to find original play.  When you become a strong player you are keenly aware of how your own pawn moves as well as your opponent's pawn moves affect the position on the board permanently and have a deep and long lasting effect on being able to find original play.

There are multiple ways to play many positions. The first move doesnt force you to play in any particular way.

There are multiple ways to play many positions.

Yes, that is true.

The first move doesnt force you to play in any particular way.

 

 

No, that is not true if the first move is a pawn move.  The first pawn move is the first building block of 1 of 6 characteristic pawn structures that the position on the board assumes from almost any opening.  Those 6 pawn structures dictate the plans of attack (strategies, and tactics) that can be used by either White or Black.  Yes,  you can play another strategy other than what the pawn structure dictates, but you do so at great risk of losing against a strong player with knowledge of how to play that pawn structure from both the White and Black side.

 

 


 

ajian

+1 that's very true. consistency is very important. you can't try for immediate attacks in the queen's gambit declined, for example, and you can't play slow positional chess in many lines of the sicilian

ajian

yeah too many people have annoying prep against 1.e4 which also implies that 1. c4 is good for that

cosmicharmonic

For all of the folks who scream "1. e4!! is the best and everyone knows it," that is basically the point, don't play it, because everyone knows it.  I agree with 1. c4 as being strongest due to its transpositional power.  Against 1. e4 and 1.d4 though I go right out of the book, & play ...1. g5!! at 64% win clip; basically, nobody's seen it so they must start from scartch and despite it's atrocious look and feel, it works and is great fun and against the d4s because you're suddenly tactical, and against the e4s who think they are tactical, they ain't seen nothing 'till they've play the reversed Kolibri. 

TitanCG

I've played 1.e4 e5 2.Bb5 a few times. It's not so great against 1...c5 though... It's probably a little risky after 1...c6.

najdorf96

Alas, I've posted the merits of opening with 1. d4. Heh. But somehow my opinion seems miscontrued as, " better than 1. e4". Curious, because it's not my intention at all. I believe, truly, that playing 1. d4 is the start of one's evolution.

shell_knight
najdorf96 wrote:

Alas, I've posted the merits of opening with 1. d4. Heh. But somehow my opinion seems miscontrued as, " better than 1. e4". Curious, because it's not my intention at all. I believe, truly, that playing 1. d4 is the start of one's evolution.

Maybe.  But consider that every time you switch from a sphere of knowledge where you've gained considerable experience to a new area that it's an evolution.

Yours may have happened to be e4 to d4 while another's may happen to be endgame theory to opening theory.

TheMushroomDealer
cosmicharmonic wrote:

For all of the folks who scream "1. e4!! is the best and everyone knows it," that is basically the point, don't play it, because everyone knows it.  I agree with 1. c4 as being strongest due to its transpositional power.  Against 1. e4 and 1.d4 though I go right out of the book, & play ...1. g5!! at 64% win clip; basically, nobody's seen it so they must start from scartch and despite it's atrocious look and feel, it works and is great fun and against the d4s because you're suddenly tactical, and against the e4s who think they are tactical, they ain't seen nothing 'till they've play the reversed Kolibri. 

Hahhahh one of my good friend plays this reversed Grob ALWAYS (and normal Grob as well). I bet I would totally kick your ass!

TheMushroomDealer

Yes indeed. It's much more relevant against 1.e4 (which I usually play

Riedemann

http://www.suenafuerte.cl/diego-riedemann-cuarteto-shah-mat

najdorf96

Shell~middlegame to endgame is definitely not the same as evolving from 1. e4 to 1. d4. Think about it.

shell_knight

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.  Both first moves can lead to almost anything.  Heavy theory or rarely played, open or closed, dynamic or static, classical or hypermodern.

minor7b5
pfren wrote:

The top two women (Judit and Hou) also play 1.e4 exclusively, and you can add Malakhov, Sutovsky and Vallejo Pons to close the league of 2700+ players who maily open with 1.e4. Of course there are more 2700+ players who have 1.e4 in their opening arsenal, including the top rated player, and the World Champion.

Verdict: 1.e4 is not refuted, yet...

e4 is not losing but, unlike d4, it's probably not winning.

shell_knight
minor7b5 wrote:
pfren wrote:

The top two women (Judit and Hou) also play 1.e4 exclusively, and you can add Malakhov, Sutovsky and Vallejo Pons to close the league of 2700+ players who maily open with 1.e4. Of course there are more 2700+ players who have 1.e4 in their opening arsenal, including the top rated player, and the World Champion.

Verdict: 1.e4 is not refuted, yet...

e4 is not losing but, unlike d4, it's probably not winning.

Pretty bold to suggest chess is a win for white with best play.

Pulpofeira

1. d4!! (1-0).