Why exactly does the London get so much hate?

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Sea_TurtIe
Laskersnephew wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

as the dude who plays the kings gambit, Bg5 najorf, and most agressive french lines, i can say; the london is for whimps who dont know how to play real chess

Blah, blah, blah

for a person who plays the quiet italian, i dont believe you can be talking

MaetsNori
Chill_Vibes_Incoming wrote:

london is boring and it's hard to spicen up the game for black

Play ... Kf7 against it.

Boringness solved; now it's spicy.

Colin20G

Rofl all the salt directed against the London. We could fill a bath with the tears.

MaetsNori

There's nothing wrong with the London. It's just a d4 opening with a bishop being deployed to f4. This creates a very specific dynamic, with both players having their own structural plans and ideas.

Once a player reaches a certain level of experience, you realize that openings are just like different foods or clothing; you can pick and choose them depending on your mood. You can play a London one game, and 1. e4 the next ... And so on.

The same goes for your defenses. If you are facing a London, who says you have to defend in the same way every time? Mix it up. Try different structures. Play a Semi-Tarrash structure, one game. Play KID structure another. How about a QID/Hedehog structure? Sure, why not?

As the saying goes: variety is the spice of life.

ZaiFaLi

True, there isn't much wrong with the London. I guess it is sort of a solid opening as well, because you don't have to interact much with the opponent while you're doing it.

Chuck639
IronSteam1 wrote:
Chill_Vibes_Incoming wrote:

london is boring and it's hard to spicen up the game for black

Play ... Kf7 against it.

Boringness solved; now it's spicy.

Is this a novelty?

what’s the continuation, g5, h5?

SamuelAjedrez95
Colin20G wrote:

Rofl all the salt directed against the London. We could fill a bath with the tears.

LOL, at insecure London players. "Y-you guys are just salty haha, drinking your t-tears haha"

Ok, if it makes you feel any better. You are making me feel kinda bad now lol.

Sea_TurtIe

in conclusion, London players are slanderd due to

1.them playing a boring opening where there will be a slow game and not much conflict

2. it is usually their only rep with white and they spam it each time they get white.

3. they actively fear any type of attacking style game, so they typically try to eliminate whites play, or just totally ignore it (unless whites attacking or threatening something)

4. connecting to 3, they actively try to exchange everything white has and try to get an easy endgame 

5. these people get very upset when people slander the london, claiming that its like ¨any other opening¨ when typically no other opening (excluding the exchange variations of openings and 4 knights italian) is passive and gives black equality that easily.

 

y´all should really stop playing the london after 1200 and learn how to actually play chess

 

Sea_TurtIe

HOWEVER, kudos to the people that play the more challenging londons  and fight for a win

ZaiFaLi

@Sea-Turtle, the London can still be a solid opening to defeating masters, it's just that there are some much better options for white to play, such as the Queen's Gambit.

pleewo
IronSteam1 wrote:

There's nothing wrong with the London. It's just a d4 opening with a bishop being deployed to f4. This creates a very specific dynamic, with both players having their own structural plans and ideas.

Once a player reaches a certain level of experience, you realize that openings are just like different foods or clothing; you can pick and choose them depending on your mood. You can play a London one game, and 1. e4 the next ... And so on.

The same goes for your defenses. If you are facing a London, who says you have to defend in the same way every time? Mix it up. Try different structures. Play a Semi-Tarrash structure, one game. Play KID structure another. How about a QID/Hedehog structure? Sure, why not?

As the saying goes: variety is the spice of life.

I agree

Laskersnephew

Whether a game is dull or dynamic has very little to do with the opening and everything to do with the players

ZaiFaLi

Very true, I agree

Colin20G
SamuelAjedrez95 a écrit :
Colin20G wrote:

Rofl all the salt directed against the London. We could fill a bath with the tears.

LOL, at insecure London players. "Y-you guys are just salty haha, drinking your t-tears haha"

Ok, if it makes you feel any better. You are making me feel kinda bad now lol.

The most insecure side is the one which produces the most whining. Have you actually read the thread? Or even been in the internet?

SamuelAjedrez95
Colin20G wrote:

The most insecure side is the one which produces the most whining. Have you actually read the thread? Or even been in the internet?

Yes, whining like saying people who don't like what you like are just mean and salty.

Colin20G
SamuelAjedrez95 a écrit :
Colin20G wrote:

The most insecure side is the one which produces the most whining. Have you actually read the thread? Or even been in the internet?

Yes, whining like saying people who don't like what you like are just mean and salty.

People have every right to love what I hate and conversely. The issue is not there. The problem is for instance that one topic on FB Lichess page out of two is people expressing their rage about the London allegedly ruining overall chess experience (the truth: that's because they don't know how not to lose against it), or in this site where almost every London system topic is a complaining topic. 

For a very long time I didn't even know what the London was, I used to play King's Indian against non-queen gambit d4 systems, followed by intuitive moves and was just fine. Now I play it after having seen some videos by Hikaru, it is a cool system actually.

 

SamuelAjedrez95

Instead of listening to the points made by the other side you get upset about it and start insulting. The same with the other guy.

"You just want to act superior!"

"You're just salty!"

Maybe you could actually be open to others opinions. I have no problem with people playing the London and if you're making arguments about why you like the London then I'll hear it. One of my favourite streamers is Eric Rosen and I think he's a really cool person but he plays the London all the time.

I admit I was teasing a bit roughly at times but I still made solid arguments. You can either listen or you can just get upset. Like I said, I just feel bad now.

SamuelAjedrez95

This is just a cliche argument and untrue. "You don't like it because you lose against it!"

But the London is yielding very successful results for black. There ARE other reasons why people don't like it.

BOWTOTHETOAST
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Laskersnephew wrote:

People in the forums just like to hate on the London System because it gives them a wholly unwarranted sense of superiority

You are wrong and just making a non-argument. "You just hate the London because you're mean, bad people!" is basically what you're saying.

The reason people dislike the opening is because it's avoiding stuff like the King's Indian, Benoni and Grünfeld where white grabs the full centre and plays aggressively. It avoids the Nimzo and Queen's Indian where white challenges black's control of the light squares.

There are such a wide variety of openings and ways of playing far more aggressively and ambitiously for white but instead white opts for this meek pyramid of pawns.

In the King's Indian white establishes a Goliath of a centre and plays for the win.

Like in the Bayonet Attack. It's so much more aggressive and exciting. The London is just avoiding some of the best parts of chess and it's a shame.

There are actual reasons people dislike it. It's not just because everyone is mean and wants to feel superior. That's just copium.

Very much.

SamuelAjedrez95

Right, this was one of my main points. To be completely real and honest, the reason why people don't like the London is because they would rather be playing other openings that they like more.

And then there are multiple reasons for that as well.