Fiveofswords wrote:
this is like a CIRCUS. wtf is wrong with you people
+10, I'm still 100 posts behind in my present reading of this wild tread. 
why is ruy lopez considered the strongest
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Math and philosophy made great bedfellows, circa 1910.
How that for a one-line historical summary ?
A photograph is worth a thousand words..
That's a tough job over the internet. If, in fact, he were completely ignorant of the socratic method (which I very much doubt he is), he would quickly learn through google.
But, hell, I'm just some dope. Have at 'er.
conflict, the speciality of human beings, nothing a few million years cannot transform however.
Jul 29, 2015
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bigpoison wrote:
That's a tough job over the internet. If, in fact, he were completely ignorant of the socratic method (which I very much doubt he is), he would quickly learn through google.
But, hell, I'm just some dope. Have at 'er.
Actually, the idea was not to use the socratic method, continuing to ask questions based on the answer, like an adult version of a child asking why to everything - I was just going to torture him with the same question via disproving statements.
We spent literally 50 minutes of dialog similar to the following (P = Professor, S = Any Student in the Class)
P - What is a table?
S - A table is a flat surface that you can put things on top of
P - So a stove is a table because a stove is a flat surface that you can put things on top of.
S - A table is a flat surface with four legs that you put in the middle of a room
P - So a chair is a table because a chair has 4 legs and a flat surface, and can be placed in the middle of a room
And just continuous cases of:
S - A table is ___________________________________
P - So a __________ is a table because a __________ (student's description)
Fiveofswords wrote:
you want to quiz me on the reiman zeta function? cause im the guy who solved it for odd integers
Um, what on earth do you mean solved it for the odd integers? Found the values? I (math major) would love to know what you mean. After all, it seems what people actually want to know are whether or not the nontrivial zeros all lie in the critical strip. I think anyone should be very skeptical of such a claim.
By the way, I do agree: This is a circus.
Squeezing every last molecule of "initiative," out of white's right to the first move, is the bete noir of these crazy opening system discussions.
How that for a one-sentence summary of this crazy thread ?
My problem comes from realizing (through practical play and study) that even after 30 move-pairs deep into the theory of the Ruy Lopez, I still DO NOT have the foggiest idea how to play the white side of this apparent "advantage."
Ditto with the Sicilian Alapin. I gave it up after buying 5 opening books on same, and a year of OTB experimentation.
Only the GMs and their many biological cousins know how to handle these (crazy, perhaps overstretched) positions.
So the Ruy Lopez, and 500 years of its chess choreography, appear to me at least, to be of no practical significance for players rated (say) less than USCF 1900 ?
Each is free to draw their own conclusions. And change their minds too.
Run With It.
This thread is a great example of a the flame-fests, evidenced on this site, over the past couple years.
Thanks again for the wild ride, "flying Socratic tables," and multiple belly laughs.
My guess is you must play certain openings to learn how to play chess. The Ruy would be one of them.
Jul 29, 2015
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chessman1504 wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:
you want to quiz me on the reiman zeta function? cause im the guy who solved it for odd integers
Um, what on earth do you mean solved it for the odd integers? Found the values? I (math major) would love to know what you mean. After all, it seems what people actually want to know are whether or not the nontrivial zeros all lie in the critical strip. I think anyone should be very skeptical of such a claim.
By the way, I do agree: This is a circus.
Hi, my name is Barnum.
Bailey is in the next room.
The Ruy has pride of place for many players, but it's only one of many openings, and openings remain largely a matter of taste.
Especially true if you don't like "massively theoretical openings," such as the Ruy, Sicilian, and KID.
Well, I myself only play it as black. Semi-slav is the perfect chess game!
zborg wrote:
One of many openings, and still largely a matter of taste.
Especially if you don't like massively theoretical openings, such as Ruy, Sicilian, and KID.
The Ruy Lopez is by a long shot the best chess school one can afford.
But of course noone can force you to learn chess.
Indeed, Slav (from the white-side) solves most of my opening preparation.
Less books to buy, as well.
lolurspammed wrote:
What if you're not an e4 player?
This is no problem... study it. You will still learn a hell of a lot about almost any element of chess. And by "study" I do not mean learning variations.
pfren wrote:
zborg wrote:
One of many openings, and still largely a matter of taste.
Especially if you don't like massively theoretical openings, such as Ruy, Sicilian, and KID.
The Ruy Lopez is by a long shot the best chess school one can afford.
But of course noone can force you to learn chess.
Hello, why do you say Ruy Lopez is the best chess school? I'm in no way doubting you, but was just curious why that's the case. I currently only play Kings Gambit, should I take a pop at the Ruy Lopez?
pfren wrote:
zborg wrote:
One of many openings, and still largely a matter of taste.
Especially if you don't like massively theoretical openings, such as Ruy, Sicilian, and KID.
The Ruy Lopez is by a long shot the best chess school one can afford.
But of course noone can force you to learn chess.
Agreed, all three openings (above) are the "best chess school," along with the right coach.
But hardly anyone suggests the KID early on in the learning process.
And some of us "humble non-Masters" prefer studying the other two phases of the Royal Game, as the primary way to increase our playing strength.
bigpoison - I'm proving that he's not as intelligent as he tries to make himself appear to be.
Sure, I could be the smartest person in the world to most people if I could select my own questions to answer, and then because I know the answer to those, I spout out how I'm the greatest because I could answer 10 questions out of 10 that I chose to answer.
So after all of his rigamarole, I'm out to prove that he full of nothing but hot air. There really is nothing else in that big head of his.