I have concluded nothing. Go and look your database and watch the preferences! How many games played from Masters per year with a6,b5 and how in other variations. As i said X player, you just trolling here nothing more.
why is ruy lopez considered the strongest
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I am done talking to you Bg5.
Have a nice day
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Yes x player i am serious. The
Berlin wall ending its an inferior position for black. That has nothing to do with what is gonna happen next. The fact remains this. You can safe tell this to Kramnik, i am sure he will agree.
Of course it is, otherwise white wouldn't enter it.
You wont be able to prove the Morphy defence (with a6 and b5) is better though.
The Berlin is still being used at World Championship matches, so luckily we don't need to consult your opinion on it.
Well in your Vienna mentioned before from you as an equal.. ? Jesus forgive me! to the Ruy Lopez, after the opening white has already lost the initiative. Even in the Italian if white does not go for the big center he is not have nothing! So tell me again....do you really understand what play for the initiative means? Because if you dont then what are we talking about? The result of white moving first does not guarantee anything.
Scottrf wrote:
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Yes x player i am serious. The
Berlin wall ending its an inferior position for black. That has nothing to do with what is gonna happen next. The fact remains this. You can safe tell this to Kramnik, i am sure he will agree.
Of course it is, otherwise white wouldn't enter it.
You wont be able to prove the Morphy defence (with a6 and b5) is better though.
The Berlin is still being used at World Championship matches, so luckily we don't need to consult your opinion on it.
Yeah I have given up on Bg5.
He has no support to any of his claims.
It is obvious he is just trying to troll and waste peoples time.
You are correct
The Berlin was used in 2014 World Championship match a few times if I remember with Anand vs Carlsen
Scottrf wrote:
Of course it is, otherwise white wouldn't enter it.
You can count me out- I am not willing playing this stuff as white anymore, and I do not care if white has the better side of nothing.
FOS, are you ok ?
I remember thinking of you as a polite and helpful guy when I joined this site, but lately your posts have been increasingly combative. Something seems to have made you much more bitter then you were before.
Take a look at yourself: you spend a lot of time playing chess, and probably even more time posting about it. Yet you don't seem to go out of your home a lot to play chess otb.
Your posting habits grow increasingly weird - not only do you double post, but you have also quadruple posted a lot (probably even made more than 4 posts in a row at times). Noone else on this site seems to be doing that.
You are also doing a lot of chest thumping in this thread in regards to your intellect/intelligence/whatever which so far has never convinced anyone on the internet - you need to show a high intellect in your postings to impress us, not just claim one.
And what is it that you are actually arguing about here ?
That you know better than all these titled players ? That 2700+ players, whose financial well-being depends on them staying in this elite group choose openings because they're fashionable instead of choosing the most effective ones ? Really ?
Take a step back and use your analytical abilities on your own position in life - you show some of the signs of nearing a mental meltdown.
The move 4.d3 was introduced to prevent black from getting into the Berlin Wall endgame.
It has a higher winning score for white than the Berlin Wall endgame.
Scottrf @ I am not making preferences here. I obviously consider the Berlin very reliable defense and i am playing it quite often too. This is not the point of this discussion. Please try to understand what we are talking here.
We examine why the Ruy Lopez 3.Bb5 its a more critical option for white to play for the initiative and i say that if black doesn't want to play inferior positions irrelevant with what is gonna happen he is forced to play a6,b5. I am not speaking here a miracle...its something already well known except X player who beats anyone with the Cozio.
Anything black plays will be an inferior position, including a6 and b5. They are not forced. No more than 1. e5 is forced because black is inferior in the Sicilian.
For the record Scottrf I want you to know.
That I have never stated I play the Cozio Defense.
I gave it as a mere example of alternative lines which can be played at move 3. for black which went against the one individuals claim of the forcing a6 & b5 idea.
I play the Sicilian and the Caro-kann on a regular basis.
I rarely play 1...e5 simply because I do not like facing the Scotch or the Kings Gambit.
When I do play 1...e5 against the Ruy Lopez.
I like playing the Arch Angel Defense or Berlin Defense
I have not tryed the Cozio Defense alot.
However, I have faced it before it can be tricky.
I personally wouldn't mind playing the Cozio Defense simply because in some variations black plays g6 and Bg7 idea's. I like fianchetto lines so it would work for me.
Dirty_Sandbagger wrote:
FOS, are you ok ?
I remember thinking of you as a polite and helpful guy when I joined this site, but lately your posts have been increasingly combative. Something seems to have made you much more bitter then you were before.
Take a look at yourself: you spend a lot of time playing chess, and probably even more time posting about it. Yet you don't seem to go out of your home a lot to play chess otb.
Your posting habits grow increasingly weird - not only do you double post, but you have also quadruple posted a lot (probably even made more than 4 posts in a row at times). Noone else on this site seems to be doing that.
You are also doing a lot of chest thumping in this thread in regards to your intellect/intelligence/whatever which so far has never convinced anyone on the internet - you need to show a high intellect in your postings to impress us, not just claim one.
And what is it that you are actually arguing about here ?
That you know better than all these titled players ? That 2700+ players, whose financial well-being depends on them staying in this elite group choose openings because they're fashionable instead of choosing the most effective ones ? Really ?
Take a step back and use your analytical abilities on your own position in life - you show some of the signs of nearing a mental meltdown.
+1
Yes this is weird. Theoretically blacks chances playing a6,b5 are better than the Berlin, except X player who destroys anyone with 3...Bc5.ahhhh!
But lets try to be objective. What a Master prefers usually. The unenexpected Berlin or the sensible Morphy? Where you put your money X player ?
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Yes this is weird. Theoretically blacks chances playing a6,b5 are better than the Berlin
Can you show your proof please. And not quote a database with a bunch of 'inferior' masters (although Nf6 is better for black even then). I want to know objectively why it's better.
And why was Nf6 the choice in the World Championship? Because it would be 'unexpected'? I'm sure World Champions were shocked...
You're making a lot of claims you are in absolutely no position to substantiate.
Scottrf @
If you want some chess lessons there are masters here more appropriate from me to teach those things. I don't have the appetite to prove nothing and especially for free.
What I am saying it's not something that people talking each other for first time but there are always disagreements even between professionals titled players who make their living from that. I find the Morphy defense theoretically easier for black to equalize than the Berlin because this is my level of understanding. I am not obligate to prove anything. Look elsewhere...
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Scottrf @
If you want some chess lessons there are masters here more appropriate from me to teach those things. I don't have the appetite to prove nothing and especially for free.
What I am saying it's not something that people talking each other for first time but there are always disagreements even between professionals titled players who make their living from that. I find the Morphy defense theoretically easier for black to equalize than the Berlin because this is my level of understanding. I am not obligate to prove anything. Look elsewhere...
You don't have the knowledge to teach it. To me or anybody. You're talking nonsense.
Fiveofswords wrote:
maybe you could find where i said that the top players do not play the most effective openings...cause i just have no clue why you would think that. and maybe you could try to understand the difference between me pointing out how a stupid comment is stupid is some sort of intellectual chest beating
I know this wasn't addressed to me but I'm answering anyway.
A cornerstone of your argument is that it is possible that GMs don't necessarily play the best openings the most frequently because of fashion. If you weren't able to at least attempt to explain away GM opening choices somehow then your entire argument would crumble. So there is nothing wrong with Sandbagger saying: "That 2700+ players, whose financial well-being depends on them staying in this elite group choose openings because they're fashionable instead of choosing the most effective ones ?" He hasn't said that they are playing less effective openings or that you have said that they are. He has said that it makes little sense to think that they would follow trends so much that this clouds them from playing what is necessarily best, something which you have said, perhaps not word for word.
The difference between just pointing out a stupid comment and doing so whilst simulteously touting your own intellect can virtually be epitomized by your comments earlier on in this thread. You will argue that saying you are more intelligent than Reb or TF is not doing this, but it comes across very differently.
Come on Five! Give me a Sword here!
You are writing two days now for an opening you don't play. You are disagree with Masters that the Ruy Lopez it's not whites most powerful choice after 2...Nc6. We say to you, not only me that if black don't kick that bishop he will play an inferior position ( theoretically) and if he do with a6,b5 it's gonna be a further weakness where white it's gonna use it to create imbalances.
If all this it's not a prove of what this Bb5 is doing then what?
It's not about me or you Five or our preferences, it's about the truth!...and my level of understanding can't see something beyond this.
I am sorry i am not like you.
Wow ! I leave for a bit and then go to bed , get up and this thread has exploded ! ? Where to begin ? I have met arrogant chess players in my life and I am sure many of them felt justified in their arrogance but FOS is the MOST arrogant class player I have ever been exposed to and with NO justification ! I see he has been busily adding to his " fans " here . He spends as much time here as I do and I am retired so dont have a job to go to .... how is that even possible ? Obviously he has no job ( likely still mooching off his parents ) OR he spends a lot of time here even when he is on the job ( in which case he should be fired ) . I believe he is so arrogant that he would even argue with world champions on chess matters .... he has no clue how little he knows and how much more they know/understand .
Yes x player i am serious. The
Berlin wall ending its an inferior position for black. That has nothing to do with what is gonna happen next. The fact remains this. You can safe tell this to Kramnik, i am sure he will agree.