Why is the english opening unpopular?

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"problem" is when black starts with setup e6-d5, or c6-d5 and try to enter into known waters, than as white if whole idea of c4 is not to play such things, as white you have to make some deviations, even allowing black to push further on d4. in other way this does not mean bad opening, still as white you have option to play some "reversed" openings with white and aditional tempo.

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Chessopera wrote:

... is actually popular at club and ...

Depends on the club?

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The strength and problem of sicilian and English is same: lots of possible good lines for both sides. So, a regular player of Sicilian or English has to be prepared for lots of possible lines.

English has lots of transpositions to other openings. So, you have to know ideas of lots of openings to make English work. 

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Because it’s boring. Also it’s a pretty useless move that accomplished just about nothing. 1. c4 fails to develop a piece, fails to put a pawn in the center and fails to open up a bishop for development

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staples13 wrote:

Because it’s boring. Also it’s a pretty useless move that accomplished just about nothing. 1. c4 fails to develop a piece, fails to put a pawn in the center and fails to open up a bishop for development

turn disadvantage into advantage.

1....c7-c5 also offers nothing and fails to develop bishop

1...e7-e6 or 1...c7-c6 too ,  and plus black is intially one tempo down

and again nothing is what other side gets from openning, if you play correct.

 

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The December 2018 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 3229 October games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1...c5, 1...e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries are: 209 Retis, 155 Caro-Kanns, 140 King's Indians, 117 Najdorf Sicilians, 109 Slavs, 109 declined Queen's Gambits, 109 Catalans, 105 1...e5 Englishes, 84 1...Nf6 Englishes, 75 1...c5 Englishes, 73 Berlin Lopezes, 73 Nimzo-Indians, 67 Kan Sicilians, 59 1...e6 Englishes, 58 Classical Gruenfelds, and 55 Queen's Indians.

 

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kindaspongey wrote:

The December 2018 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 3229 October games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1...c5, 1...e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries are: 209 Retis, 155 Caro-Kanns, 140 King's Indians, 117 Najdorf Sicilians, 109 Slavs, 109 declined Queen's Gambits, 109 Catalans, 105 1...e5 Englishes, 84 1...Nf6 Englishes, 75 1...c5 Englishes, 73 Berlin Lopezes, 73 Nimzo-Indians, 67 Kan Sicilians, 59 1...e6 Englishes, 58 Classical Gruenfelds, and 55 Queen's Indians.

 

If you can't take the list seriously, why have you posted it so many times?

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My words: "... One can not take position on this list too seriously …"

Without taking position too seriously, it seems to me to be somewhat worthwhile to notice 323 Englishes mentioned in the list.