[Event "HUSHAAR vs. ErgenRise"] [Site " Chess.com"] [Date "Sep 4, 2018"] [White "HUSHAAR"] [Black "ErgenRise"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "1115"] [BlackElo "1131"] [TimeControl "1 in 0 day"] [SetUp "1"] [Termination "HUSHAAR won by resignation"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 1-0 Sent from my Android
Why not the Scotch?
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HorribleTomato wrote:
Then how are you not dead because of dehydration?
Because I drink water
BUT YOU SAID YOU DON'T DRINK
Sep 4, 2018
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#67
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
Becouse the scotch gives black the equality on move 3
Define 'equality'. Titled players can evaluate a position as providing equality because of their strong positional knowledge but it's become another buzzword on this forum
Sep 4, 2018
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#68
soni777chess wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
Becouse the scotch gives black the equality on move 3
Define 'equality'. Titled players can evaluate a position as providing equality because of their strong positional knowledge but it's become another buzzword on this forum
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Also it's a known opening so you will catch no one off guard. Maybe you could try the scotch gambit instead:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Sep 4, 2018
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#70
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
HorribleTomato wrote:
BUT YOU SAID YOU DON'T DRINK
Yes but drink what?
Alltheusernamestaken a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Sep 4, 2018
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#73
poucin wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Hahahaha I'm not sure if you are good at it but I can tell you both are good at using ad hominems.
I just made a little bit of research and found this: 'Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favour among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalise without difficulty' so it turns out that I was right 
Well, anybody could search and get what u say about scotch.
Does it mean it is true?
Kasparov revitalized the scotch with success, and scotch became fashionable some years ago.
Nowadays, italian is the fashion but there is some reason :
Italian, ruy lopez, scotch, all lead to eqaulity if black knowns its stuff : but italian is very practical, white can play it with a tiny edge without risk.
While the scotch is risky, this is probably the reason why we don't see it so much.
But as I said, it is only fashion : at top level maybe in few months we will see more 4 knights game, or Vienna, who knows...
Sep 4, 2018
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#75
poucin wrote:
Well, anybody could search and get what u say about scotch.
Does it mean it is true?
Kasparov revitalized the scotch with success, and scotch became fashionable some years ago.
Nowadays, italian is the fashion but there is some reason :
Italian, ruy lopez, scotch, all lead to eqaulity if black knowns its stuff : but italian is very practical, white can play it with a tiny edge without risk.
While the scotch is risky, this is probably the reason why we don't see it so much.
But as I said, it is only fashion : at top level maybe in few months we will see more 4 knights game, or Vienna, who knows...
Yeah, black can always reach equality but in the scotch (or 4 knights game) white is giving it up.
You also lead to equality in the 4 knights becouse if white goes 4.Bb5 than it transposates into a Ruy Lopez: Berlin defense where white has played Nc3 instead of O-O. If you go 4.Bc4 then black plays 4.Nxe4 and I would prefer black here (even though they are equal).
Carlsen got a lost position recently as Black against Naka (yes, this happens once every 3 years). The opening was a Scotch.
Sep 5, 2018
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#77
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
poucin wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Hahahaha I'm not sure if you are good at it but I can tell you both are good at using ad hominems.
I just made a little bit of research and found this: 'Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favour among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalise without difficulty' so it turns out that I was right
A small advice . If you try to learn chess from wikipedia you rather justify those who call you ignorant.
Scotch is played today by many 2500-2600 players.Players like Sergey Rublevsky and Dusko Pavasovic had it(still have it) as their main opening.
While the only thing you understand is a meaningless theoretical evaluation(Black indeed equalises) in Scotch it is hardly relevant. Rublevsky has an amazing 63.82% with average rating of opponents 2614.03. Scotch is as effective as any other opening but it is risky and we live in the era of safe chess. 9 out of the top 10 players have 1...e5 as their main response and 7 of them use Berlin regularly(among them 2 world champions and one challenger). It's only a matter of fashion and that might change. It has nothing to do with equality( for those who don't study chess from wikipedia).
And by the way 4.Bb5 in 4 knights doesn't transpose to Ruy Lopez Berlin. It is 4 knights game main line since the dawn of time with 2 codes in Encyclopedia of chess openings , one for the symmetrical response (4....Bb4) and one for all the others.Every time you see Bb5 it's not Ruy.
I think that 'advices' like that rather make you seem ignorant as it's obviously impossible to learn chess by using wikipidea, I just found it by searching on google.
I said that it trasnposes into a Ruy Lopez: Berlin Defense where white has played Nc3 becouse it's a mediocre move if white is playing the Ruy Lopez (as black equalizes).
And the fact that you tell me someone who has good stats with it doesn't matter as he is a 2650+ player and you can win with a opening that's not the best just by knowing more theory and being more familiar with it. There are also grandmasters wining with the Pirc, slav, KID... even though those are not the best openings.
pfren wrote:
Carlsen got a lost position recently as Black against Naka (yes, this happens once every 3 years). The opening was a Scotch.
HEY NOW...
Sep 5, 2018
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#79
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
poucin wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Hahahaha I'm not sure if you are good at it but I can tell you both are good at using ad hominems.
I just made a little bit of research and found this: 'Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favour among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalise without difficulty' so it turns out that I was right
A small advice . If you try to learn chess from wikipedia you rather justify those who call you ignorant.
Scotch is played today by many 2500-2600 players.Players like Sergey Rublevsky and Dusko Pavasovic had it(still have it) as their main opening.
While the only thing you understand is a meaningless theoretical evaluation(Black indeed equalises) in Scotch it is hardly relevant. Rublevsky has an amazing 63.82% with average rating of opponents 2614.03. Scotch is as effective as any other opening but it is risky and we live in the era of safe chess. 9 out of the top 10 players have 1...e5 as their main response and 7 of them use Berlin regularly(among them 2 world champions and one challenger). It's only a matter of fashion and that might change. It has nothing to do with equality( for those who don't study chess from wikipedia).
And by the way 4.Bb5 in 4 knights doesn't transpose to Ruy Lopez Berlin. It is 4 knights game main line since the dawn of time with 2 codes in Encyclopedia of chess openings , one for the symmetrical response (4....Bb4) and one for all the others.Every time you see Bb5 it's not Ruy.
I think that 'advices' like that rather make you seem ignorant as it's obviously impossible to learn chess by using wikipidea, I just found it by searching on google.
I said that it trasnposes into a Ruy Lopez: Berlin Defense where white has played Nc3 becouse it's a mediocre move if white is playing the Ruy Lopez (as black equalizes).
And the fact that you tell me someone who has good stats with it doesn't matter as he is a 2650+ player and you can win with a opening that's not the best just by knowing more theory and being more familiar with it. There are also grandmasters wining with the Pirc, slav, KID... even though those are not the best openings.
If someone who is 2600 player can have over 60% against players also rated 2600 that means the opening is perfectly fine. Not better but not worst either. This is common sense that you won't find in wikipedia.
Pirc, Slav, and KID are the best because there are no better. All the other reasonable openings are not worst , but not better either. Each and every one of them is the best , each one for its own reasons. Or you can say they are all equally good and there is no best which seems to be more accurate.
Dude I just said that the scotch gives away white's small advantage wich is true. Obviously you can win with it but there are openings that try to keep the edge.
Sep 5, 2018
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#80
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
poucin wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Hahahaha I'm not sure if you are good at it but I can tell you both are good at using ad hominems.
I just made a little bit of research and found this: 'Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favour among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalise without difficulty' so it turns out that I was right
A small advice . If you try to learn chess from wikipedia you rather justify those who call you ignorant.
Scotch is played today by many 2500-2600 players.Players like Sergey Rublevsky and Dusko Pavasovic had it(still have it) as their main opening.
While the only thing you understand is a meaningless theoretical evaluation(Black indeed equalises) in Scotch it is hardly relevant. Rublevsky has an amazing 63.82% with average rating of opponents 2614.03. Scotch is as effective as any other opening but it is risky and we live in the era of safe chess. 9 out of the top 10 players have 1...e5 as their main response and 7 of them use Berlin regularly(among them 2 world champions and one challenger). It's only a matter of fashion and that might change. It has nothing to do with equality( for those who don't study chess from wikipedia).
And by the way 4.Bb5 in 4 knights doesn't transpose to Ruy Lopez Berlin. It is 4 knights game main line since the dawn of time with 2 codes in Encyclopedia of chess openings , one for the symmetrical response (4....Bb4) and one for all the others.Every time you see Bb5 it's not Ruy.
I think that 'advices' like that rather make you seem ignorant as it's obviously impossible to learn chess by using wikipidea, I just found it by searching on google.
I said that it trasnposes into a Ruy Lopez: Berlin Defense where white has played Nc3 becouse it's a mediocre move if white is playing the Ruy Lopez (as black equalizes).
And the fact that you tell me someone who has good stats with it doesn't matter as he is a 2650+ player and you can win with a opening that's not the best just by knowing more theory and being more familiar with it. There are also grandmasters wining with the Pirc, slav, KID... even though those are not the best openings.
If someone who is 2600 player can have over 60% against players also rated 2600 that means the opening is perfectly fine. Not better but not worst either. This is common sense that you won't find in wikipedia.
Pirc, Slav, and KID are the best because there are no better. All the other reasonable openings are not worst , but not better either. Each and every one of them is the best , each one for its own reasons. Or you can say they are all equally good and there is no best which seems to be more accurate.
Dude I just said that the scotch gives away white's small advantage wich is true. Obviously you can win with it but there are openings that try to keep the edge.
Yes "there are openings that try to keep the edge" but they fail. Berlin equalises , that is well known. Italian became popular as a way for Black to avoid Berlin and not because it offers an opening advantage. But if you know a line that offers white an advantage , please show us.
I could type openings that keep the edge for white if played properly all day... Giuoco Pianissimo, Russian game: classical attack, Three knights variation of the Vienna game, QGD slav/semi-slav, English: Anglo-Indian, lots of lines of the sicilian... and I'm just saying classic ones.
Then how are you not dead because of dehydration?