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will never EVER have to worry about facing a mainline sicilian. cant refute this

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NM Shiraaaaazi
Jun 8, 2011
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#1

I really do think I have found a forced win with for black in the mainline sicilian! please comment and tell me what  you think. I have analyzed this for hours and cant find a refutation. Ill give you the starting moves below

I think black can force the win of a pawn with this move. ive analyzed it. please tell me if you can find a refutation. Ill give you what I have so far.
here is another line
I cant find anything refuting it, please let me know if you can. There is one way for white to maintain equality at least. In that case this has the same "forcing the draw" threat as, say, the Berlin Defense in the Ruy or the Petroff. It comes with the incredibly weird looking move Qd2, but this saves white the game
that move with Qd2 is the correct and most complex move. Please let me know what you think of this incredibly interesting idea, and good luck with it. See you around chess.com!
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ivandh
Jun 8, 2011
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#2

...um.

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bigyugi9
Jun 8, 2011
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#3

black is busted after the following moves after qa5+... nc3 bb4 bd2 qe5 then nf3 when the knight attacks your queen and e pawn is protected by knight.

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EternalChess
Jun 8, 2011
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#4
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KyleMayhugh
Jun 8, 2011
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#5

Your third game listed is where you go wrong.

You are apparently assuming you can leave the queen attacking that pawn, and then also exchange off the knight that is protecting it.

Unfortunately for black, after 7. Nf3 the queen must vacate e5 and cannot go to any square that still attacks that pawn. White will now employ the standard attack against a prematurely developed queen, and enter the middlegame with a likely winning advantage. 

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Skofe
Jun 8, 2011
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#6

Uhhhh what about 5.c3 ... Cool

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ModernCondition
Jun 8, 2011
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#7

LOL.

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SirVicious
Jun 8, 2011
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#8
lol,,,You will if you play me!
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pathfinder416
Jun 8, 2011
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#9

Always dream big :).

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oinquarki
Jun 8, 2011
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#10

Well then, I guess I'm just going to have to switch to 1. d4.

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SirVicious
Jun 8, 2011
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#11

Continuation

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LavaRook
Jun 8, 2011
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#12

Oh god not another one of these "Opening X is refuted" threads....

Honestly, lets face it. YOU CANNOT REFUTE ANY MAIN LINE OPENING. Its IMPOSSIBLE for class players to refute a main line opening like the Sicilian.

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Deranged
Jun 8, 2011
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#13

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struktz
Jun 9, 2011
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#14

Computer variation from Veseley Opening Book
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NM Shiraaaaazi
Jun 9, 2011
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#15

okay, how about this?

So, there are two critical continuations. As you have noticed Bb4 has been changed to Nf6, which is definitely and improvement. Below are the critical continuations
This isnt whites best method. Ill show you the best option for white that still leads to unclear play
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wbbaxterbones
Jun 9, 2011
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#16

the first diagram, can't I take your queen?

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NM Shiraaaaazi
Jun 9, 2011
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#17

oh yes, i feel stupid, ill show you the line i meant to put up.

this is what i meant. sorry for your confusion
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KyleMayhugh
Jun 9, 2011
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#18

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4cxd4 4. Nxd4 Qa5+ 5. Nc3Nf6 6. f3 Qb6 7. Be3 Qxb2 8. Ncb5

 

Black's "up" a pawn but white has oodles of compensation and definitely has the stronger position.

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chessmaster102
Jun 9, 2011
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#19

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chessmaster102
Jun 9, 2011
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#20

Besides me spelling sereious wrong I like the idea hey traxlerman I'm starting a opening colum in one of my groups here on chess.com wanted to know if your interested in helping just PM me thx.Smile