Wrong footing 1...g6 players with 1b3!

Ziggy_Zugzwang

OK, the exclamation mark is subjective...

I've been thinking about the growth of 1...g6 as a defence. I'm not saying 1d4 or 1e4 are of course bad, but I notice some practitioners trot out 1...g6 all the time.

Has anyone used 1b3 against those players that always play 1...g6 to take them out of their comfort zone?

Yigor

But NLA 1. b3 doesn't pose any real problem to play 1...g6. grin.png

Ziggy_Zugzwang

It might if you are about 70 years old and have been playing 1...g6 for the last fifty years, but can't play your favourite defence ! grin.png

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Oh right, OK. Are you saying 1b3 g6 is OK for black ?

RookSacrifice
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:

Oh right, OK. Are you saying 1b3 g6 is OK for black ?

It's a line

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I'm not that big a fan of 1b3, but would play it more often if folks thought 1..g6 was OK, I must admit...

RookSacrifice

Lol yeah g6 looks wrong is and probably not the best move after b3, but after Bb2 Nf6 it's not like Black's losing or anything

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I'm happy to play Bxf6 grin.png

Yigor
RookSacrifice wrote:

Lol yeah g6 looks wrong is and probably not the best move after b3, but after Bb2 Nf6 it's not like Black's losing or anything

 

Exactly. happy.png

Fixing_A_Hole

It's also a solid opening in general, Nakamura is always using it in FIDE rated blitz and rapid games, check out his games for ideas if you're interested enough to use it against non 1...g6 players. 

chesskingdreamer

How ironic...

1...g6 is one of the best responses to 1.b3! Most people prefer Nf6 first, but it should transpose.

Martin0

I play the modern defence, but if my opponent knows I play the modern and open with 1.b3 I get happy since I imagine my opponent has not done much home preparation before the game. Well prepared opponents ready to go into critical lines is the worst.

dpnorman

I've played 1. Nf3 g6 as black when I knew my opponent was planning 2. b3. 

 

It's a line. 

SmithyQ

I know that Eric Schiller is not considered the most accurate chess author ever, and that's an understatement, but I remember reading his analysis of the so-called Polish Spike.

Looking at this, I have no idea what to think.  Surely if it is even slightly better for White in the Polish, the b3 move order should be a better version.

xman720

1: b3 e5/d5 is super risky for black because white is a tempo up, but not like 1: e4/d4 g6 which is a game but should be fine. Therefore, 1: b3 g6 is actually not a bad move, playing a hypermodern game instead of going for the center a tempo down.

uplaner

In bullet I like to play this cheap trick:

It works because many g6-Players premove Bg7. Against the modern it is very strong because you also win the rook.

nescitus

I believe the correct defence against the spike is 1. b3 g6 2. Bb2 Bg7 3.g4 h6! and White is wrongfooted, since 4.h4 d6 5.g5 doesn't quite work, as the rooks get exchanged and Black can sidestep any Bb2 threats. So this leaves White with the sad necessity of playing h3. 3.e4 d6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 on the other hand is a good try for a space advantage, but this result is normal for whoever plays 1...g6 in first place.

pfren

The whole b3/Bb2/g4 concept is way too naive to work.

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Well I'm willing to give it a go. Thanks SmithyQ for the idea thumbup.png

Ziggy_Zugzwang
nescitus wrote:

I believe the correct defence against the spike is 1. b3 g6 2. Bb2 Bg7 3.g4 h6! and White is wrongfooted, since 4.h4 d6 5.g5 doesn't quite work, as the rooks get exchanged and Black can sidestep any Bb2 threats. So this leaves White with the sad necessity of playing h3. 3.e4 d6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 on the other hand is a good try for a space advantage, but this result is normal for whoever plays 1...g6 in first place.

Yes, I believe you are right - on second thoughts nervous.png

I'm happy as white to give up the bishop pair and to play against the doubled pawns though...