D Class vs. GM? What's a guy to do?

 this sounds like fun...

strani,

I would just consider it an honor to play a GM and now you have a great story
to tell.

If I played Larry Bird in basketball he would crush me even though I am a pretty
good player.  I would still tell that story about playing him for the rest of my life.

Five of Swords - Tarot Card Meanings

Failure, defeat, degradation. or conquest by unfair means. Cowardliness, cruelty, malice, empty victory. Tragic situation mourning.

Fiveofwords didn't say he was 2300 rating, just that he was 2300 strength...don't OTB ratings require one play lots of tournaments in order to garner the actual rating, although one may truly be 2300-strength?   Plus, he may not try as hard online or may be trying unsound openings and/or theoretical novelties (which is what I do in every game after move 3).  

I have given the excuses...now let's see this epic battle, best of 7, draws don't count.  No wait, engines...online...crap.    

And congrats Strani on playing a GM and getting crushed.  

What if you don't play enough tournaments or there aren't enough in your locale, but can beat Rybka set at 2300 strength?   

Regardless, in my eyes, you and Fiveofwords (and pretty much anyone over 1600 and under 2300) will always be 2300 although inflation will lessen the distinction...now let's see this lame online version of a chess fight...actually all chess games are fights...can someone help me hype this?! 

Wow!!!  I didn't know there was trash talk in chess.

I don't think you can judge a player by their blitz rating however.  I am a
horrendous blitz player but I won my high school OTB championship by beating the
12th graders when I was in 7th grade.  Of course there were also dinosaurs back then as well.  I do live next to NASA so there was some good competition.  I can't play
well anymore OTB or online now(too many concerts).

I think NM Reb would be too tough for Fiveofswords to beat.  It would be fun if the two players played OTB and they could shake hands and may the best man win.

Can't wait for the vicious staredown.

Really dude, no offense, but I can tell you're nowhere near 2300 otb (especially only being 1945 cc, because your cc rating should almost always be somewhat higher than your otb rating). You're not bad, but nowhere near there, and that's ok. I wouldn't consider myself anywhere near 2300 yet either. I used to make the same assumptions about my strength as you, and 90% of the time they're off, sometimes a lot.

One other thing I thought I would mention.  While most people are better
at online chess than OTB there are probably one out of ten or twenty that
the reverse does apply.

I am definitely better OTB than I am online.  I just can't concentrate as I listen
to Youtube, play with my dogs, listen to phone messages, eat food, and watch the
television out of the corner of my eye.  I have always been a nasty competitor
when it comes to board games when I am face-to-face.  Some chess players
are shy and do far better online than in person so I do believe there are a few
rare 2500's online that are indeed legitimate but may not have the same
aggressive personality as most OTB players.

Anyway, while Fiveofswords may not be a 2300 I have read a lot of his posts
and while one may disagree at times with him he does seem to have a grasp
of the game to be better than an intermediate player.  I still think NM Reb
is the stronger player.

you think?  lol

So "doesn't care, possibly" (and really how many people try super hard in online games anyway, meaning 5 swords could be against players who also don't care), makes up for him being UNDER 2300 in CC RATING, let alone otb?? That's ludicrous.

Like I said his posts are decent, but, like any amateur like us posting here, they're FILLED with flaws all the same, which is fine when not acompanied with "i know I'm 2300 [insert excuse]". And how he critisizes 5 Ng1 of the fischer defense of the KG, the main line, because it "looks bad", not a sign of a 2300 for sure. So yeah he's probably no worse than a b class player, but nowhere near 2300.

It is very rare when a rated player loses OTB to an unrated player.  The rated player
has too much confidence and is better in every facet of the game, especially
the endgame.  I am always amazed at the errors made in the endgame even
by good unrated players.  We have lost so many Vote Chess games after
playing quite well up to the endgame.

There is a fairly reliable way to guess what the outcome of a match would be--use the ratings.

"swords had a performance rating of 1577 in his last (and recent) tournament and Reb still has a fresh FIDE of >2200.

We're very close to the point where the lower rated player has zero practical chances to get a point in long TC otb.

Well, yeah I would put my money on NM Reb and if God put a gun to my head and asked me who I thought was better or go to hell, then I'd say NM Reb, based on his current rating, master status, and evidence presented thus far...I was just saying it is possible to be 2300 OTB and worse online, and even possible for Fiveofswords to be so, thought many will disagree with good reason, whether accurately or not.

But if 5ofswords is willing to prove that he is better than his actual "ratings" (the onus is on him to prove he is at a rating higher than his actual ratings) and someone else is willing to disprove his claim simultaneously, then they should get ready to rumble for my amusement and nothing more as I could care less if someone is, isn't, or thinks s/he is 2300.

While this is all amusing I have to admit that there's been something troubling about 5swords posts from the beginning.  I think there's something about how he just jumped into the forums like a big shot, commenting on EVERYTHING as soon as he registered here.

I think that some people don't realise that even though this is the internet, forums like these tend to be grazed through by the same people over and over.  Looking at his ubiquitious comments it became obvious that 5swords has been holding himself up like the "grand high poobah" of chess while it's evident from his comments that his chess IQ, while decent is nothing remarkable; at least from my perspective as a life time B/A player.   

I agree with the poster who pointed out that people can have different strengths and weakness when it comes to gameplay.  This is surely true of myself.  Back when I was an active player my OTB rating peaked at around 2000, although I spent most of my life in the 1900 area, but in 5min tourneys that I'd play in 100's of times I'd always hold my own in the master section, even taking prize money at times.  However in the Expert section I'd dominate, even though the players were usually a class above me in OTB rating.  

All that said I find 5oSwords rating claims just rediculous and I hope he comes clean because while we tend jump on BS around here we're also a forgiving crowd if he owns up to his rating fantasy.  

dannyhume, were you the same guy who hated it when tonydal brought up the possibility that a guy was cheating?

Danny, you can't believe everything you see on chess.com (and anything on the internet for that matter, this site being a chess site actually has less BS than the average site, but trust me, there's still plenty of it), because like 50% (more?) of everything said on this site is wrong in some way, lol.

To you, his analysis may seem irrefutable. Hell, I remember when I was like 900 and was like "ok, what's the difference between a 1200 and a grandmaster?".

Also strange danny is how you act as if this OTB match is actually going to happen, though it would be cool if it did, even though I know who would win.

So...this OTB match is not going to happen or be broadcast live?  Is Fiveofswords demanding more money?  His silence is deafening.

Nobody's analysis is irrefutable, not even Fiveofswords or Deep Rybka 4 (though I can't tell the difference).

NM tonydal cheating post...I am unable to visualize my position or re-live the hatred on that one.  If someone brings up my post, I'd be happy to comment as I am probably correct.

Yeah, interesting how 5oSwords has become mute...

A simple mea culpa and I think we'd all be over it, am I right?

I agree he didn't seem to be 2300, and he can't beat NM Reb, but the guy didn't cheat, and his comments on the forums were chess related, usually reasonable and not inflammatory (as far as I could see. Correct me if I'm wrong here). He just gave a wrong impression of himself (an important point is that I think he genuinely believed in that impression), he was corrected and then got angry about it on this thread.

Maybe we should put a rest to this subject.