i have an indescribable amount of hatred for people who use scholars mate and etc

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KaILLERa-Ninja

Then you need to grow up and get good.

Romans_5_8_and_8_5

LEVY ROZMAN WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO DEFEND AGAINST SHOLARS MATE


flatseven

Just learn to destroy these people by watching a few videos.  They'll get the point.  Also, if your rating gets better, you wont have to do it any more!

Chesslover0_0
flatseven wrote:

Just learn to destroy these people by watching a few videos.  They'll get the point.  Also, if your rating gets better, you wont have to do it any more!

I agree with this, I don't like Scholar's mate either but at the lower levels (folks under 1000) it's actually very common (for players to attempt that), even more common then "fool's mate, the thing is learning how to deal with it.  General Opening principles state that getting the Queen out early is generally a bad thing.  I'm sure there are general resources that teach you how to deal with it but I believe that active learning is better then passive learning when it comes to Chess, in case you don't know the difference, passive learning is when you watch a video etc, active learning is when you set up a board and pieces yourself and try to get involved and figure things out yourself, this is how you learn to DEAL with the much hated (by you) "Scholar's Mate", I can show you an easy refutation with the Black pieces if you play e4, c5, aka the Sicilian, after you bring a knight to c6 and they play Qf3, Ne5 forks Queen and Bishop and protects the F7 square and pretty much stops "Scholar's mate" dead in it's tracks, maybe not the best refutation but a refutation nonetheless, a little something I came up with after having people try that garbage on me over and over and yes I have fell for it a couple of times, I believe we all have.  

So the TL;DR-... U don't like something someone is doing to you in Chess?, actively learn how to refute it, End of story! 

beskarmando
I prefer to use the bong cloud
ren97ren

Best opening

DonThe2nd
beskarmando wrote:
I prefer to use the bong cloud

I won't make the mistake of bringing my queen out early! (brings King out early)

llama36

When I was new to chess I remember losing a game like this

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And I thought oh well, that was just unlucky.

Then I lost like that again (2...f6 is a bad move) and I realized oh, I guess it's not luck. I should remember not to do this.

Then I lost like that a 3rd time, then I was really motivated to remember not to lose like that again!

That's how most lessons in chess go. First you don't know, then you know and you try your best  to not do it, but you screw it up again anyway, then at some point you finally stop doing it (not every lesson is as simple as an opening trap so some mistakes take a while to eliminate).

Chesslover0_0
llama36 wrote:

When I was new to chess I remember losing a game like this

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-

And I thought oh well, that was just unlucky.

Then I lost like that again (2...f6 is a bad move) and I realized oh, I guess it's not luck. I should remember not to do this.

Then I lost like that a 3rd time, then I was really motivated to remember not to lose like that again!

That's how most lessons in chess go. First you don't know, then you know and you try your best  to not do it, but you screw it up again anyway, then at some point you finally stop doing it (not every lesson is as simple as an opening trap so some mistakes take a while to eliminate).

Yes you start this way but once you learn some patterns that won't happen to you any more, you learn that playing f6 to defend e5 as the black pieces is bad because it weakens your kingside, specifically the h5-e8 diagonal, thus after the knight sacrifice the king is vulnerable to checks which is generally not a good thing.  

However see my previous post, if you were new to Chess that's fine, but generally when you get hit with something like this, take it to the analysis board and see how to prevent it/refute it.  Oh and btw there is no luck in chess, you either know what you're doing or you don't, nobody gets "lucky". 

 

However to your point, when you get hit with something in an actual game, you tend to remember it more, I can still remember how my Bishop got trapped in a game I played against a 92 year old man in a diner, ...no I'm not making that up. 

Ziggy_Zugzwang

"i have an indescribable amount of hatred for people who use scholars mate"

I think you need to calibrate your hatred.

Given a 0 to 10 scale, perhaps a "1" for Scholar's Mate, "2" for people who push into queues, and "10" for the banks, big pharma, and the BBC...

llama36
Chesslover0_0 wrote:
llama36 wrote:

When I was new to chess I remember losing a game like this

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-

And I thought oh well, that was just unlucky.

Then I lost like that again (2...f6 is a bad move) and I realized oh, I guess it's not luck. I should remember not to do this.

Then I lost like that a 3rd time, then I was really motivated to remember not to lose like that again!

That's how most lessons in chess go. First you don't know, then you know and you try your best to not do it, but you screw it up again anyway, then at some point you finally stop doing it (not every lesson is as simple as an opening trap so some mistakes take a while to eliminate).

Yes you start this way but once you learn some patterns that won't happen to you any more, you learn that playing f6 to defend e5 as the black pieces is bad because it weakens your kingside, specifically the h5-e8 diagonal, thus after the knight sacrifice the king is vulnerable to checks which is generally not a good thing.
However see my previous post, if you were new to Chess that's fine, but generally when you get hit with something like this, take it to the analysis board and see how to prevent it/refute it. Oh and btw there is no luck in chess, you either know what you're doing or you don't, nobody gets "lucky".

However to your point, when you get hit with something in an actual game, you tend to remember it more, I can still remember how my Bishop got trapped in a game I played against a 92 year old man in a diner, ...no I'm not making that up.

After 15,000 games your ratings are below 300.

Over the last 500 games, the average length of your losses as white is 8 moves.
The average length of your losses as black is 5 moves...

[Edited - DB]

KaILLERa-Ninja

Skill issue.

AutumnFlash

I just assume people who go for scholar's mate hate chess. Why else would they want the game to be over in 30 seconds? It's like they hate chess so much they want it to be over with as soon as the game starts. Granted I know how to counter scholar's mate, but every time someone attempts it I punish them by making the clock run down a little before I counter it. Like nah man, you came here to play, and I want a good game that lasts. Time to help slow you down a little.

PATRlCKSTAR2

after research on the scholar mate, i conclude that it isnt the best idea because the queen develops too early and there are no knights for white on the board yet. so maybe you could punish whites poor opening choice by attacking and developing when able

i also came up with an idea opening trap for opponents who play a certain move order of scholars mate

try it on a lower rated player. it might work

xxKaiju08xx
Yo
AhmedAryan

scholars mate is kinda mid

this better

smh

MariaKawaii134
David_Mary escribió:
transparentbacon wrote:
and etc

Hatred is a fool's pursuit. Example: "etc", properly used as "etc." is Latin for "and the rest". So your title essentially reads "

i have an indescribable amount of hatred for people who use scholars mate and and the rest

But I have no hatred of you despite you butchering grammar.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/et-cetera-etc/

And I bet the apostrophe doesn't hate you for being left out of your irrational statement either. It's probably grateful.

You accidentally used two spaces after "either.".
But thanks for taking the role of the grammar police, it is very helpful and positive to the conversation. Without your input, this conversation would have been completely different.

Chesslover0_0
AutumnFlash wrote:

I just assume people who go for scholar's mate hate chess. Why else would they want the game to be over in 30 seconds? It's like they hate chess so much they want it to be over with as soon as the game starts. Granted I know how to counter scholar's mate, but every time someone attempts it I punish them by making the clock run down a little before I counter it. Like nah man, you came here to play, and I want a good game that lasts. Time to help slow you down a little.

I've had the very same thought, they are just looking for easy wins against people who don't know any better, that's all. Exactly, I like longer games where strategy and thought is involved, we think similarly.

SriyoTheGreat

I equally hate scholars mate players, but instead, I take it as a challenge to revise my opening principles.

Laskersnephew

If you have "an indescribable amount of hatred for people who use the scholar's mate," you are in serious need of a thesaurus!