19 year old professor?? chesshole?? :P
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IQ is only weakly related to intelligence. The same chess ability.
Sep 1, 2008
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#24
Chessroshi wrote:
My IQ is 64 and I play chess better than a lot of humans.
Are you an alien??? :-)
Hahahaha, that really hit home for some of you, didn't it?
gumpty wrote: i dont think there is any connection between IQ and ability at chess......i am rated 2000+ and i cant fasten my shoelaces :-)))
To fasten shoeless, IQ is not necessary, is it?
dragonthomas wrote:
i am not making any statements or presuming, i'm merely asking. You can freely express your opinions.
I'm not calling you or anyone presumptuous or conceited, I'm just freely expressing my opinion.
Chessbee wrote:
I don't know I think it does relate to your IQ, but just because your bad at chess does not mean you are stupid, but being good at chess reflects a stronger grasp of logic and intuitiveness so yea I think the two are linked somehow.
A 19 year college student is introducing himself as a Professor! Simply ridiculous!
Sep 1, 2008
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#29
Chessroshi wrote:
My IQ is 64 and I play chess better than a lot of humans.
64 is far far below average. Downsyndrom people would have this at most. Im sure you are mistaken. As far as mine IQ goes it is around 138. Im only average in chess though. I do enjoy a good game ;)
I think anybody with less IQ can't play chess well. Rather with good IQ, good chess can be played, isn't it?
I think that a high IQ should help you at playing chess, but also vice-versa (chess probably improves IQ). I am an avarage chess player, but have an IQ of 151.
Dosn't seem right, does it??
Sep 1, 2008
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#32
I think it's got more to do with the way we measure intelligence. We measure it based on how we can solve problems and think logically, whereas I'm sure many people would think that intelligence is also linked to art. Since chess teaches problem solving skills, spatial awareness (this sounds silly, but think about that time spent visualising moves), improves memory if you study it at all, and helps focus the mind. I'd say that since IQ tests directly test these then it's obvious that playing chess will improve your IQ, whether that shows increased intelligence is a different matter.
Sep 1, 2008
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#33
Sorry for the big post.
Some people can do well in certain IQ tests ie. logic and fail in others concentrating on language or general knowledge. This result took me by suprise and I'm taking it with a grain of salt. To put forward my case.. my chess rating is 1500s and probably will be for some time. So not much of a correspondence here, either. Wishing there was.. 
It helps but it is not close to being the end all of a chess player. I've heard mathematicians rape face at chess. The fabric of chess is woven of patterns, combinations and imagination, 'tho they're part of the same thing your looking for when you stare at the board trying to decide - some people can take it all in and make 2500 rated moves every turn, they just see the patterns we don't perhaps see. There's a link between IQ and chess ability, sure. Just wont be able to tell how strong a link without further testing.
For what it's worth, the correlation between IQ and actual achievement is sketchy to begin with, but gets very weak after IQ 140. That is, if you compare two populations, one with average IQ (about 100) and the other at, say, 135, you will notice a difference in educational level, intellectual interests, accomplishments, and so forth. Beyond IQ 140 the picture is far less clear, and you are likely to find both very high and very low achievers.
Note that virtually all IQ test are timed, and reward those who identify solutions quickly. While this is no doubt a valuable thing, the real world often requires other virtues, notably the willingness to keep working on something long after it has ceased to be interesting, and when it gets hard and frustrating. There are people with very high IQs who are terrific at quick puzzle-solving (The IQ clubs are all about this sort of thing), but who could never make themselves sit down and plan and then write a novel, or design and execute a complex research project.
To use a track analogy, IQ tests tend to identify and favor sprinters, not distance runners. If you ask, Who is faster, the sprinter or the distance runner? the question has no answer. It depends on the race. The sprinter will demolish the distance runner at 100 meters, but the sprinter probably won't even finish the marathon, and certainly won't win it.
In some ways, OTB chess is more like a sprint. The clock is running and problems must be solved quickly. But that's only if you look at the game and ignore the hours and hours of study, analysis, and preparation that separates the great players from everyone else. That takes commitment and perseverance, qualities that IQ tests don't measure.
If I had to guess (and I do, since I have no actual data), I'd expect that an IQ that's above average is a necessary but not sufficient condition for being a strong chess player, and that as with most other things, the correlation between the two would get weaker after about IQ 140.
Thanks for the comments.. guys.. :)
lithium11 wrote:
Sorry for the big post.
Some people can do well in certain IQ tests ie. logic and fail in others concentrating on language or general knowledge. This result took me by suprise and I'm taking it with a grain of salt. To put forward my case.. my chess rating is 1500s and probably will be for some time. So not much of a correspondence here, either. Wishing there was..
It helps but it is not close to being the end all of a chess player. I've heard mathematicians rape face at chess. The fabric of chess is woven of patterns, combinations and imagination, 'tho they're part of the same thing your looking for when you stare at the board trying to decide - some people can take it all in and make 2500 rated moves every turn, they just see the patterns we don't perhaps see. There's a link between IQ and chess ability, sure. Just wont be able to tell how strong a link without further testing.
Online IQ tests are like online colleges. They're not the real thing, and should not be treated like them. Take a real test from a certified examiner and come back. The difference between 173 and 140 is one question and a few seconds online, but in real life it's a lot different.
chesshole wrote:
I am a professor of neurology at Johns Hopkins University. I conducted a study in which I found that a person's IQ and intellingence are directly related, i.e., the higher the IQ the higher the ability at playing chess. Lol. Owned. Noob.
IQ is in the USA (no longer in many European countries) assumed to be the only reliable measurement of intelligence. Moreover, many people in my country (germany belive, among them many scientists) think that intelligence is VERY hard to measure.
Now you surprise us with the thesis (not at all new in USA!) that IQ and intelligence are directly related. So my question is, do you have another, reliable test for intelligence?
Sep 1, 2008
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#40
Aye, internet IQ tests are bogus. They want you to do something afterwards, more likely than not, cough up some doe rae me. If I wanted you to give me money I'd probably tell you how beautiful, unique and clever you were, rather than the truth :)
IQ, tests (this may already of been stated) completely ignores emotional intelligence. I think that emotional intellegence is important in chess. Tal managed to get a grown man to wear shades because he thought that Tal could use hypnosis. That's a power beyond a real or false IQ test.
If one plays chess regularly, then it can strengthen the brain. The same as in physical activities. The more active one is, the more they can endure. Using the extra mojo that the brain has acquired still comes down to being motivated enough to use.