The Best Players Ever - a Statistical Evaluation - Chess Forums - Page 2

felipe11542

Apr 2, 2016

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#21

These kind of statistics are not easy to evaluate.

I honestly believe the only way to make reliable rankings is comparing the players with strong engines (maybe Komodo). The more similar to Komodo, better you are.

Progressive_Groove

Apr 25, 2016

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#22

This is an interesting chart !

It popped up as top five my my google search for: chess grandmasters winning percentages.

#1 ... i thought Cappablance was "undefeated" i.e. never loss a game (or match?) ... yet his percentages are well below 100% on this chart.

Personally, i doubt Cappalanca was undefeated; the human anxiety of playing the game alone would cripple any man, especially if there were wolves in sheeps clothing who would seek out this undefeated player just to play a gimmick or trick or trap. And, bein human, the stress of needin to know or having to face such uncalculable circumstances is enouh to convince me that Cappablanca's game history is more of a legend for a debonaire (spell check), or dapper fellow such as Cappabalance, rather than historical or documented fact.

#2 ... most articles I'm reading show Bobby Fishcer at a 94% ame winnin percentae with enthusiastic fans authoring published fact more close to 95%.

Yet, bobby fisher earned Individual Silver and Gold medals at two Chess Olympiads when representin the US.

Where happened to the gold winners in these olymiads ? if they beat Bobby fischer, where did their professional chess careers go ?

And if bobby fischer was "beatable" as he did lose to several chess opponents, then it lends credence to his accusations of a Russian coordinated conspiracy to "force" or "direct" specific players Fischer had trouble with by having certain arrangments for players to resign or forefeit games.

... ... ... Sounds like somethin that might happen to ... or i don't know ...

SATAN ! ... oh, wait ... no ... CAPPABLANCA ! ???

Questions pertainin to #1 and #2

#1 what is bobby fischers official game winning percantage of ALL games played ? Not specifically for any tournment, champoinship or event ... all games recorded for fischer ... what is his winnin percentage ?

#2 If not a 100% game winning percentage ... What is Cappalanca's ?

Thank you for your consideration.

PG

loubalch

Apr 25, 2016

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#23

BungaBungaFischer wrote:

1) it is indeed a bit arbitrary if you don't take into consideration the average w/l rate of a players era. [If I wanted to compare the strength of players from different eras, I would agree. But I'm not. I realize that comparing winning percentages has no more validity than comparing ELO ratings across time, as even the strongest players of today will admit that their super high ratings are, in part, a result of "ratings creep."]

2) I hope you understand excluding draws is a bit pointless; the simple formula w + d + l = 100% should already tell you that excluding draws does not do what you want it to do. [Here I disagree. I've assembled a spreadsheet of 75 of the leading players from the classical to present era. And the results are interesting. If you rank these players based on their W/L percentages, excluding draws, you'll find that of the top 13 players on the list, 11 were world champions, including modern players like Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov, Mikhail Tal, and Bois Spassky. So the stats can't be all that "pointless," unless the results are just a fluke. And statistically speaking, what are the odds of that?]

3) leave statistics to mathematicians please. thank you. [No, I'm not an mathmatician, but I am an engineer, close enough?]

loubalch

Apr 29, 2016

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#24

He's the highest rated sponge under the waves!

Brett_T_Kruskie

Aug 7, 2023

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#25

I'm following the math and its actually off.

Just for example, Jose Capablanca who has 688 total games. 376 wins 47 losses, and 265 draws. Quite a strong player. Except w/l % is not correct.

For 376 wins in comparison to total matches possible this gives us a .5465116279 winning percentage.

For 47 losses in comparison to total matches possible this gives us a .0683139535 losing percentage.

Based on solely comparable data from winning and losing percentages, Capablanca retained a .875 winning advantage to his peers.

In retention of that winning advantage (W/L) after draws, the winning advantage converts to .5598006645 chance after draws. ([W/L]/D)=1

IF you take the total draws with comparison to total wins the ratio is .3851744186.