Why Magnus Carlsen is so overrated?

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halfgreek1963
delagarza1 wrote:
halfgreek1963 wrote:

Another mindless piece of drivel from another chess hack who thinks Magnus is overrated. Yawn

Indeed. What was it like on the other side?


You're one serious imbecile.

Justs99171
kforge22 wrote:
You are actually an idiot to say that Carlsen is overrated.. He has a super human memory that far exceeds anyone in chess history. Go check out his 60 minutes interview from a few years ago, he can play blindfold chess with ten people at once no problem and win, he has every game he's ever played memorized in his head. He has the highest Elo rating in the history of chess and that rating system is no fluke. All of this however can't make him a perfect player, every one makes mistakes, and even when he messes up many times he makes it a fight to the finish. Study his games even the ones he loses, it's very very rare that he gets dominated over the board. I'd love to see anyone on this website go up against him, especially you buddy, he would checkmate you so fast you'd have to rethink your life.

Carlsen is not the only person who can play 10 people at a time and win every game. You're stupid. He definitely doesn't have the best memory of any chess player ever. That would be Paul Morphy. Fischer or Kasparov would be 2nd. You're making my case for me. He is over rated. He is the best player today, but people are calling him the best ever and saying this unfounded stupid sh!t like you - that's what makes him over rated.

Kasparov had over a quarter million games memorized. Carlsen has memorized something like 10,000.

Paul Morphy memorized Louisiana law code verbatim.

adrienfines

In chess you cannot be overrated : to break 2850, every point becomes harder to gain

macer75
evapava wrote:
Only player(s) that can beat carlsen in a tourney are fischer, kasparov and ding liren

Could you explain the obvious odd inclusion in that list?

SmyslovFan

I suspect that AlexandraThessa was GreedyPawnEater creating a new account. Who will be his next incarnation? 

Justs99171

verb (used with object), overrated, overrating.

1. to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate:

... um? Yeah, Carlsen is DEFINITELY overrated.

Quasimorphy

How many of the top 10 players if asked to name the best player in the world would say Carlsen?

I don't know, but my guess is that more would say Carlsen than anybody else.

joyntjezebel

ELO ratings are a matter of calculation.  It is difficualt to see how anyone can be over rated if they have, like Carlsen, played a very large number of games against the world's elite players.  And Carlsen has been consistently the highest rated for a long time.

This is a post I made about the 1016 Candidates tournament on another thread.  I am just a chess fan wanting to see an interesting match, not a Carlsen worshipper.

"This tournament will take place this year to select a challenger for Carlsen.  I want to consider who could make a real challenge.

That Anand was the convincing winner of the last such event, but lost 2 matches with Carlsen, losing 6 games and winning only one, gives an insight into the magnitude of the problem.

Carlsen is well known to play long games and grind his opponents down late in the playing session with his youthful stamina and amazing understanding of simple positions.

This sort of tactic is going to work particularly well against aging players in a match, so I doubt the 3 oldest players, Anand, Topalov and Svidler would be capable of making the match close were they to qualify, which they may do.

Nakamura's record against Carlsen is very poor.  I don't like his chances at all.

Aronian is interesting.  However, Carlsen has consistently out-rated him for some years.  Could lead to some interesting games.

Karjarkin has again been consistently behind Carlsen for some years.  He is the same age and his solid style is well suited to match play.  Can't see him winning, could provide some intersting chess I hope.

This leaves the 2 players younger than Carlsen, which I think the person who takes his title is very likely to be.

Caruana could provide the most interesting challenge.  He is young, improving and can play very well indeed.  But he will have to overcome his tendency to get into time trouble, which is something much easier to say than do.  If any challenger keeps getting short of time against Carlsen ... I can hardly see the need to play the match.

And finally Giri.  The youngest and likely the candidate with the best chance if he qualifies.  My biggest question is it may be too soon for Giri to successfully challenge.

Thoughts of others?  "

Doverblitzboy

I think more time spend on playing and improving your own rating and less time concerning yourself with top level chess is in order?

Senior-Lazarus_Long

He's dominated everyone else for quite sometime now.

pfren
joyntjezebel wrote:

It is difficualt to see how anyone can be over rated if they have, like Carlsen, played a very large number of games against the world's elite players.

It's easy to find player ABC overrated: the only requirement is an I.Q. below 50, alhough some generous dose of Napoleon complex should certainly help.

DjonniDerevnja
Suman3 wrote:

Well the actual, between the lines question is, why OP is so underrated? :D

That one is easy. Because he is a kid. Fiderating is based on previous tournaments, and kids that are skyrocketing often are stronger than than they were a half year ago. Maybe 50 points, maybe 200, but very seldom as much as 400.

On the other hand. He is a Swede, and Swedes are usually overrated. Underrating is more common in India and China. I am not sure why the Swedes are underrated but I guess that there is a relatively older chesspopulation in Sweden.

CamelsOfYaqoob

I know I am pretty bad at chess but can someone please tell me " is Wei Yi the next Carlsen."

OAlienChessO
Quasimorphy wrote:

How many of the top 10 players if asked to name the best player in the world would say Carlsen?

 

I don't know, but my guess is that more would say Carlsen than anybody else.

They would tell you " Carlsen is the best"  because it is politically incorrect to say he is not .  

Karpov, Fischer, Kasparov, Alekhine... and many others were the best player in their times  why?  Because they were bored of having beaten the game .   Anand is an exception to the rule , becuase the indian philosophy is different, but a wrong philosophy as we could see in the last world championship match.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

thwre?

Senior-Lazarus_Long

He fixed it. I guess he meant there.

OAlienChessO
Viulindar wrote:

Carlsen is a lucky champion ,   do you remember the way he won the candidates?  In the penultimate round, he could not win to Radjabov, the position it was an easy draw ( a draw= kramnik win ) ,and then suddenly  Radjabov make strange moves and he loses! .

He lost the last round too vs Svidler   like an amateur he lost the nerve where a real champion (like karpov,kasparov,federer...)  show to the world they are the best in his sport , no more tricks,  win by K.O  . Carlsen victories are Pyrrhic and hollow.

if just only kramnik had make draw vs Ivanchuk , Bye Bye Carlsen . HAHA but this guy is too lucky. Kramnik lost with a Pirc !!!  it was surreal watch kramnik played that opening . 

the best player in history is Anand or Karpov,  give your opinion here who is the best for you . 

Carlsen was frightened too in the second match vs Vishy,  he made the blunder greatest of all time but then luckily for him,  over and over again, he was lucky and his opponent failed and blunder too!!.

Carlsen´s fortune  only can be explain by karmic or astrological factors or maybe the gods (or aliens)  are playing with us and sell us this farce to laugh at us , the sheeps  . 



I wrote this , 3 days ago.   Today i was watching the Wijk Aan Zee 2016, and the terrible blunder by Mamedyarov,  a big punishment to him .  So i was thinking,  who is gonna be the lucky guy who plays vs Mamedyarov the next round?   YEEESSSS, you guessed ,  Magnus Carlsen !   What a joke, unbelievle,  the norweigan is doing black magic 0r something  because the luck of this guy is not normal.

I can remember my last time when i lost a game similar to Mamedyarov made today ( a winning position and he gifted his rook) and  i lost 4 games in a row .   Sadly  you can expect the same fr0m Mamedyarov tomorrow  1-0 . 

DjonniDerevnja
Viulindar wrote:

Carlsen is a lucky champion ,   do you remember the way he won the candidates?  In the penultimate round, he could not win to Radjabov, the position it was an easy draw ( a draw= kramnik win ) ,and then suddenly  Radjabov make strange moves and he loses! .

He lost the last round too vs Svidler   like an amateur he lost the nerve where a real champion (like karpov,kasparov,federer...)  show to the world they are the best in his sport , no more tricks,  win by K.O  . Carlsen victories are Pyrrhic and hollow.

if just only kramnik had make draw vs Ivanchuk , Bye Bye Carlsen . HAHA but this guy is too lucky. Kramnik lost with a Pirc !!!  it was surreal watch kramnik played that opening . 

the best player in history is Anand or Karpov,  give your opinion here who is the best for you . 

Carlsen was frightened too in the second match vs Vishy,  he made the blunder greatest of all time but then luckily for him,  over and over again, he was lucky and his opponent failed and blunder too!!.

Carlsen´s fortune  only can be explain by karmic or astrological factors or maybe the gods (or aliens)  are playing with us and sell us this farce to laugh at us , the sheeps  . 



I have previously stated that luck is very important in chess.

The best players in the world are best at creating luck.

If you creates the best luck, and executes it with the best presicion, you will win.

Chess is a lot about luck-creation. It starts in the opening. Building up a perfect structure makes luck. Precise positioning makes luck. When you have managed to put your pieces in the best positions, and they are supercoordinated there is a chance for luck. maybe a tactic.

Magnus is the best in the world to create luck on the chessboard. Thats why he is rated 2800+

You dont get luck before the game. You have to create it. And if you are very good, you can create quite much.

Another thing is that opponents can do mistakes that only the best GM´s can detect and punish. To grab that luck, that is skills.

Luck is skills. Skills is luck. Magnus is lucky. Very lucky. He executes extreme luck on the board. Luck at a level most of us can not dream of.

6thrankpawn

Carlsen is overrated? Okay.

CamelsOfYaqoob

delagarza1 wrote:

I think GM Grigory Serper said wei yi is the next WC in one of his articles. Probably Serper, I don't remember

He blundered against Adams...